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When do Kawai usually announce their new pianos?
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I'm saving up for a CA78 but by the time I've saved up the new ones will probably be out so I'm just wondering when that likely will be.

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The CA-78 was just released this last year, right? I don't think they'll be replacing it anytime soon (though they might be introducing the replacement to the cs8 and cs11).


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I'm waiting for an ES9 to be announced. The ES6 came out in 2009, the ES7 in 2012 and the ES8 in 2015, so there's been 3 years between models in recent history.

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Hello Scotteh,

Originally Posted by Scotteh
I'm saving up for a CA78 but by the time I've saved up the new ones will probably be out so I'm just wondering when that likely will be.


As Gombessa notes, the CA98/CA78 were announced less than 12 months ago, with new ebony polish variants announced just yesterday. These models will remain the current generation for a good while yet.

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Originally Posted by Scotteh
I'm saving up for a CA78 but by the time I've saved up the new ones will probably be out so I'm just wondering when that likely will be.

Thanks!


In general, there is no set time; however, most manufactures tend to release new models to maximize their marketing strategy---just prior to large events like Winter or Summer NAMM, or at Musikmesse (generally held in the first quarter of the year for four days).

As all current models of Kawai are specified up-to the equivalent current key action standard and sound source standard (to match competition), IMO, I think that it is likely that the next major digital piano from Kawai might be a while off.

I predict the ES9 or the CS12 might be the first of the 'next generation' pianos from Kawai; however, my expectation is that the new models will come with a new key action and updated sound engine at the very least, as well as new amplification (from Onkyo) on these models.

As the P515 came out recently, I predict Kawai and Roland to up-the-ante on the P515 in order to out-compete. Therefore, I anticipate maybe at least another year (maybe 18 months) for the designers, engineers and production to ready the ES9 and CS12. Likely the new tech will go on the CS12 first (as it's the flagship). That's what I'd do if I were Kawai and Roland.

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I don’t see a CS-12 being released -ever- now that the CA 78/98 are available in a polished finish.
The only thing differentiating the CA from the CS is now the form factor of the cabinet, and I don’t think that is much of a difference considering the much higher cost of the CS.

My guess is that Kawai will be embedding the current CS (“real” cabinet) with a “real” upright piano action soon. Perhaps they will up the ante and go for the next-up-taller upright cabinet, but I don’t see how the CS -as we know it- will continue to exist.

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Originally Posted by Pete14
I don’t see a CS-12 being released -ever- now that the CA 78/98 are available in a polished finish.
The only thing differentiating the CA from the CS is now the form factor of the cabinet, and I don’t think that is much of a difference considering the much higher cost of the CS.

My guess is that Kawai will be embedding the current CS (“real” cabinet) with a “real” upright piano action soon. Perhaps they will up the ante and go for the next-up-taller upright cabinet, but I don’t see how the CS -as we know it- will continue to exist.


The CS11 probably still sounds nicer than the CA series due to the different cabinet size / speaker layout. It looks premium and like a proper upright, whereas the CA series look low. I much prefer the CS11 over the CA97 as IMO it amplifies better. Many have not been kind about the amplification system on the CA98; however, I will reserve judgement till testing.

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Originally Posted by Doug M.
As all current models of Kawai are specified up-to the equivalent current key action standard and sound source standard (to match competition), IMO, I think that it is likely that the next major digital piano from Kawai might be a while off.


The ES-110 could be replaced with an ES-120 featuring the 3-sensor Responsive Hammer Compact II keyboard action.

The CL-26 and CL-36 models are getting old. And have been for a while already.

But what counts as a "major digital piano"...(?)

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Originally Posted by Doug M.
As all current models of Kawai are specified up-to the equivalent current key action standard and sound source standard (to match competition), IMO, I think that it is likely that the next major digital piano from Kawai might be a while off.


The ES-110 could be replaced with an ES-120 featuring the 3-sensor Responsive Hammer Compact II keyboard action.

The CL-26 and CL-36 models are getting old. And have been for a while already.

But what counts as a "major digital piano"...(?)


Indeed, guess it depends upon ones interests.
Perhaps the best approach for Kawai is to release the ES120 quickly to give customers an alternative to the Yamaha P125, as the lower cost pianos tend to sell more units. The question is, is that consistant with Kawai's strategy? It would be a quick turn around indeed for them to release the ES120 soon.
I have to admit to knowing little about the CL26 or 36.


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Hello Doug,

Originally Posted by Doug M.
Many have not been kind about the amplification system on the CA98...


May I ask if you can provide some examples to support this claim, please?

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Hello Doug,

Originally Posted by Doug M.
Many have not been kind about the amplification system on the CA98...


May I ask if you can provide some examples to support this claim, please?

Kind regards,
James
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Ah, yes, I remember that thread.

I'm not sure that the 2-3 negative opinions necessarily constitutes "many" though.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Ah, yes, I remember that thread.

I'm not sure that the 2-3 negative opinions necessarily constitutes "many" though.

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Can't really comment myself on these user reports as I'm yet to play the CA98.
I don't care if there are 12 reports or 6 or 3, until I try something out, I'm not passing judgement. Hearsay is always circumstantial only.

I find it surprising how many people are in this position: "I live somewhere where I can't make it to a music store to test the product I'm about to spend $5000 on". I'm sure glad I have easy access to the store, makes all the difference.

Also, I want to test the CA97 and 98 side-by-side to ensure a good trial. I'm not expecting much because the CA98 is only one iteration forwards, and the CA97 was already very good.

I'm quite keen to try it to see what the other advances give to the overall sound on the CA98.


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