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Yamaha U1 year 1983
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Hi, I've been looking for an upgrade for my daughter who has been playing piano for few years now. Just saw a year 1983 made in Japan Yamaha U1 selling by a musician that tuned the piano twice a year. She is asking for $3500 but negotiable. What would be the fair price to counter if the piano is in excellent condition as she claimed? I want to counteroffer a price before bring in a technician to check it. We live in NYC. Thank you!

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Why would you make an offer before bringing a technician in?


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HI BDB, just thought that if my offer is too low for her to begin with, then I won't bother to look for a technician.

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If it's truly in excellent condition and the tech inspection reveals it doesn't need anything, I think the full asking price is fair. Otherwise, deduct from the asking price based on what the tech says it needs.


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pigpig168 #2763544 09/05/18 11:42 AM
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so the seller is willing to settle at $2500. Is it a great deal? I am bringing in a technician to check the piano end of this week. But at the same time I am always worried about the "grey market" that I've been reading about since the piano is manufactured in 1983. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. thanks.

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U1s can be nice pianos but the value of an upright piano that age will be entirely determined by its condition so $2500 might be anywhere between a fantastic deal and a complete waste of money and there's no way any of us can tell which it would be.

'Grey market' always seems to me a ridiculous concept drummed up by manufacturers to selectively price/overprice some countries despite the global market we've been living in for some time. I don't think we even have the concept of grey market over here in the UK, or at least it certainly isn't a phrase I've ever heard used. Why is it something to worry about in the context of a 25 year old piano ?

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Spring cords may be an issue needing attention.

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Grey market pianos to me very real .I had a Yahama yu 10 which I bought without getting a technician to check it over .It was made in Japan for Japanese people. At first all was well then it developed tuning problems and problems with the action .With the help of my technician we returned the piano to the dealer .Instead of being properly reconditioned which they said it had ,this piano was really bad and was getting worse .Perhaps there are some good grey market pianos but this was not one of them .

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I hope you found a good piano for your daughter .Yamaha make good pianos so Kawai ! Regards .

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YAMAHA U1 is a good model, if the piano is in good condition, price below $4000 is reasonable. For the specific case, possible problem is the piano may be overused by the musician. So careful inspection is very important.

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Do you like the piano, does your daughter, does it sound good?

Having been serviced twice a year is a great bonus. Pianos which have been ignored and only serviced occasionally can take many services to "catch up" - one tune and it'd be out of tune within a week or 3, needing another, then another ... .

My experience with a few U1s were that they are good pianos, stable and can take lot of work. The ones I've known were 3 or 4 school pianos and Church pianos - so not well loved, but they stood up to it well.

But - having it checked with a technician is a good move, as, at that age, it could well be "worn out".

I had a 1979 UX, which was larger and slightly different design, and after 35 years, with me having done a diploma, 3 children learning up to Grade 6 or 7 level, being used for choir practise, me playing it for pleasure most nights, accompanying my children on their cello, violin, trumpet et al - it was fairly worn - not a write-off, but I wanted something better. My daughter put her hand up and said she'd like it, and 2 of her children have learned on it since, and it's still going strong.

Grey market - if it is, personally I don't think it's an issue. Some manufacturers made a "big deal" that they weren't made for our Tropical climate. But I've seen many, many here - they come in by the container load, sell far more than new pianos - and never seen one suffering with the purported grey-market issues. Several friends have them.


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Well I had one and it was a nightmare ! My technician was shocked when he looked inside .Sent it back to the shop !Got most of the money back !

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Grey ,grey ,very grey and gone !

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Very much grey, grey, grey and stay !

Love my UX3, all the way from Japan :-)

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I think it's a misnomer to call these pianos "grey market" (which usually means new goods distributed through unofficial channels). These are just used pianos sourced in Japan, where a combination of the ageing population and a downsizing trend ("Does it spark joy?") is creating a surplus of old pianos. They should be evaluated just like any other used piano (inspection by a qualified tech, etc.)

Regarding the OP's question, I hope the piano has been checked out fine; in which case I think $2500 is a good price. For reference, I had to sell my Yamaha U3 when I moved from the US to the UK two years ago. I had bought it new in 1991 and had kept it in a good condition since. It was sold for $4500 by dealer consignment - it got snapped up fairly quickly.


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So glad for you gwing that you got a good one .There are other posting of positive experiences .Think mine was dropped, perhaps in pond .I used to have to make appointments to go to the shop to play it .So don't know if they if tuned it every time just before I arrived .One day I noticed that the felt in where the pedal was , was stained as if it had been in mud .That was only after the piano was in my home .It was a YU10 and a good model Yamaha.It was only a few years old .But the piano was useless.

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I would say buying these is a chance you take .The pianos are perhaps fixed with parts that do not belong or fit .I looked up the site of the factory in Japan, there were only images of woman spray painting pianos .One picture shows a young woman with a paint brush in her mouth .Refirbished, what does it mean ,like fixing furniture! Then remember they pack them in a ship and send it across the water .Are they protected from humidty .??? We traded in my old U1 ,a good piano ! Which the dealer promptly sold .The price without the trade in $7000.00 for something that was junk .We got most of the money back .But even with the approval of a technician I would never buy one of those .

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I would say buying these is a chance you take .The pianos are perhaps fixed with parts that do not belong or fit .I looked up the site of the factory in Japan, there were only images of woman spray painting pianos .One picture shows a young woman with a paint brush in her mouth .Refirbished, what does it mean ,like fixing furniture! Then remember they pack them in a ship and send it across the water .Are they protected from humidty .??? We traded in my old U1 ,a good piano ! Which the dealer promptly sold .The price without the trade in $7000.00 for something that was junk .We got most of the money back .But even with the approval of a technician I would never buy one of those .


Oh no - shipped across water! What will they think of next?!!


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Send them Mars ! .,rather than to fly by night dealers !

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