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Kawai Novus NV-10 Ratings #2766681
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We have quite a few NV-10 owners on this forum who have had some time with the piano. On a scale of 1 to 5 stars, what would you give it? Feel free to elaborate as you wish.

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Re: Kawai Novus NV-10 Ratings [Re: R111] #2766692
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After spending nearly 5 months on this, i would give it a 3,5 out of 5.

The look and feel is gorgeous. The keys feel a bit loose and a tad heavy, but not unnatural. Technically it's a wonderful piano but it lacks on several things:

1. It suffers from various first model issues. In my case, the sustain pedal isn't working properly. First i had a creaking sound on use, now i can't make use of the half pedaling effect because i the sound fades away when i rise up my foot by 3 - 5mm.
2. The speaker quality isn't the best. Sometimes there are strange noises, it lacks bass, sometimes it sounds really good.
3. The UI is good but managing favorites and saving settings is simply awful.
4. Most of the piano samples sound too similar, especially when trying to create a different sound.
5. Buzzing noise if you connect a bluetooth device for audio streaming.

Sometimes i think this piano doesn't give me what i want: Turning on, sit down and play without getting disturbed by one of the things above.

Would i buy again? At the current state: No.


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That's the harshest NV10 review I've seen so far but interesting points/issues.

Re: Kawai Novus NV-10 Ratings [Re: Tyr] #2766770
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Hello Tyr, thank you for your feedback.

To respond to your comments:

1. It sounds like the damper pedal requires a little fine-tuning by a technician.
4. The Pianist mode's Rendering Characters all utilise the same SK-EX base samples, so will likely have similar tonal qualities. The Sound mode pianos use complete different samples, so should provide a good amount of variety.
5. This can occur when the Bluetooth input volume (on the piano side) is too high, and the Bluetooth output volume (on the device side) is too low. When the respective levels are swapped the quality should improve.

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Re: Kawai Novus NV-10 Ratings [Re: R111] #2767123
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When i visited Kawai at the Messe the set up with external speakers was phenomenal during a little demonstration/ concert.
If people are willing to spend little less than 10K for a digital piano, i wonder if an increase in price for the exact same external speakers (add on option) would be a consideration for them..
Because the end result is at least 30% more pleasing and realistic.
The first Roland V-piano had a couple of extra speakers which made a lot of difference too when i demo'ed the V-piano for the first time.

I personally rate all digital piano's with their cabinet speakers on as mediocre at best..... nothing like a real piano for sure....
But Kawai ( during the Messe) has showed that it can be vastly improved by adding speakers in the background.
Why not give that as an option for future buyers ?

Re: Kawai Novus NV-10 Ratings [Re: pianistje] #2767125
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Originally Posted by pianistje
When i visited Kawai at the Messe the set up with external speakers was phenomenal during a little demonstration/ concert.

Hmm, are you talking about the demo by the Japanese pianist Ayano Entani?

Because then, this "phenomenal sound" that you heard was actually from the piano itself, and not the additional external speakers. Because Kawai James has explained that during that demo, the additional speakers were for the Rachmaninoff backing track, not the piano sound - at least that's how understood him here:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...iano-at-musicmesse-2017.html#Post2660642

Plus, that the sound was also "only" from the old sound engine, not even the new pianist mode engine (which is even better, imo, which should make the NV10 even more "phenomenal", no? wink).

Re: Kawai Novus NV-10 Ratings [Re: R111] #2767135
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Hmm...I really want to like NV10 and find a reason to go for it but I cannot justify that big digital piano in my room and his price even with real action to be (for me) midi controller because I dont like the sound of it as with all others internal sounds in digital pianos. For almost the same or little more money there is new Kawai Anytime atx3 or Aures. For me thats have much more sense and occupied similar space. The same opinion I have for Avantgrand, the only difference is price of N1, it is much less money and maybe more doable.
Kawai James quote `1. It sounds like the damper pedal requires a little fine-tuning by a technician.`
Despite the fact that it is real action, I really want to see technician in my house for acoustic but not for digital.

Re: Kawai Novus NV-10 Ratings [Re: JoBert] #2767137
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Originally Posted by JoBert
Originally Posted by pianistje
When i visited Kawai at the Messe the set up with external speakers was phenomenal during a little demonstration/ concert.

Hmm, are you talking about the demo by the Japanese pianist Ayano Entani?

Because then, this "phenomenal sound" that you heard was actually from the piano itself, and not the additional external speakers. Because Kawai James has explained that during that demo, the additional speakers were for the Rachmaninoff backing track, not the piano sound - at least that's how understood him here:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...iano-at-musicmesse-2017.html#Post2660642

Plus, that the sound was also "only" from the old sound engine, not even the new pianist mode engine (which is even better, imo, which should make the NV10 even more "phenomenal", no? wink).

Sorry for the confusion, but i was talking about the 2016 Messe with the CS-X1 demonstration of a future collaboration between Kawai and hifi Onkyo.
I had few chats with Kawai James too , because i helped with my brother’s guitarstand booth and was there for several days.
I also played it myself and like the nineties DP-1 , which was also set up with a range of external speakers , the sound was on another level compared to the internal speakers only.

I personally did not play the Novus 10 , but of course the Avant grand series many times and internal speakers still kinda suck.
Again sorry for the confusion but i was expecting Kawai to give some fancy calibrated Onkyo speakers as an ‘add on’ feature for Novus 10 buyers.

I remember the first electronic church organs who benefited from some add on system called ‘akoestiek’ if i recall correctly.
It was kinda pricey too, but the difference between a Johannus organ with or without akoestiek was dramatic.
It would be the first thing i would do if you would have a Novus 10..... try to improve upon the internal sound with external speakers.

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Re: Kawai Novus NV-10 Ratings [Re: R111] #2767138
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Does Kawai/Onkyo not sell these fancy speakers seperately? Also, there must be existing fancy speakers by other manufacturers that one can buy independently and add on to mediocre (non-fancy) speakers.

Re: Kawai Novus NV-10 Ratings [Re: R111] #2767139
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Why people always hijacking threads instead of creating a new one?
@pianistje You don't even own a NV10. We would like to know what existing NV10 owners have to say about it after spending significant time with it.

This possibly could help some people here in their decision to buy or not (me included)

Thanks and best regards

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I own a Novus and I give it a 4.5 stars as a pure practicing workhorse, which is to say, a tool that I can transfer playing skills to a real grand piano with little adjustment necessary. I did have to tweak the pedal mechanism (which is too stiff imo) before I was fully comfortable with the playing experience, however.

If I were more concerned about the total package (e.g. sound samples, Ul, aesthetics) I'd be inclined to give it a lower score.

Re: Kawai Novus NV-10 Ratings [Re: rach3master] #2779083
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Originally Posted by rach3master
[...]

If I were more concerned about the total package (e.g. sound samples, Ul, aesthetics) I'd be inclined to give it a lower score.

Are there particular voices you dislike? I know sometimes one can grow to like/hate certain voices over time only to change one's impression later on.

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Originally Posted by DionG
Why people always hijacking threads instead of creating a new one?


That is a Pianoworld tradition. One just has get used to it.

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4.5 as well here, from a 9 month owner.

There are some "first release" teething problems, and a few things I fixed myself. But in the end what I wanted was an authentic grand action that I could play silently. And possibly short of a silent piano, there's nothing better on the market.


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If I were more concerned about the total package (e.g. sound samples, Ul, aesthetics) I'd be inclined to give it a lower score.

Are there particular voices you dislike? I know sometimes one can grow to like/hate certain voices over time only to change one's impression later on.


I use VSTs, which have much more realistic sounds than any on-board sound samples that I've ever heard.

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I don't own it but I tried one in person. I won't give a rating but I'll say I preferred the Avant Grands to the novus nv10 from my short time with it.

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I give it 4 1/2 stars. I think it looks great, but to be picky it could do with two back legs. I’m not an engineer so I don’t know where else the speakers could be located except where they are. It would be nice to have a clean top though that opens up like a grand and that I could put more stuff on when closed. As for the sound samples, I think they are very good when I deminish resonances and reverb for headphones. When I do play with speakers it sounds and feels great. The touch to me seems heavy compared to new Kawai and some other grands I have played on. While light compared to many others. Especially older grands. So I set the touch to “light”. I also have voicing set to “mellow 1”.

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