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Re: How can I improve my rhythm hearing? [Re: rocket88] #2770070
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Originally Posted by rocket88
Trying to add in the metronome while playing the piano ...

And do not try to add the metronome to a piece already learned


That's exactly what I was trying to do, taking suggestion to learn metronome too literally... Thank you for pointing this out this clearly!

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Originally Posted by Wayne2467
When it happens you then have to get used to not having it on

Ok, so don't be surprised if someday at a concert of classical music (somewhere in Carnegie Hall) you will see a pianist playing Beethoven’s sonatas and Rachmaninov’s etudes to the accompaniment of a metronome smile


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Re: How can I improve my rhythm hearing? [Re: michaelvi] #2770073
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Maybe start off playing a few scale with the metronome on😉

Re: How can I improve my rhythm hearing? [Re: michaelvi] #2770108
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Originally Posted by michaelvi
Originally Posted by rocket88
Trying to add in the metronome while playing the piano ...

And do not try to add the metronome to a piece already learned


That's exactly what I was trying to do, taking suggestion to learn metronome too literally... Thank you for pointing this out this clearly!



You are welcome.

Bottom line is that you want to develop your ability to hear and feel the groove, the rhythm, the tempo. So learn that away from the piano, which is much much more doable than:

1. Trying to play the piano while distracted by trying to hear the metronome.

2. Trying to hear the metronome / learn the groove while applying the metronome beat to a piece that most likely you have learned a rhythm/ tempo different than the metronome.

3. Trying to hear the metronome / learn the groove while applying the metronome beat to a piece that most likely more complicated than a very simple one note/one hand piece.

4. Worrying about not being able to do it.

5. etc, etc, etc.

Bottom line: keep it simple...focus on what you want to do in its most essential basic form, (to hear and feel the beat), and only then, when that skill has had some time to develop and mature in your brain, apply it to some very simple music (one hand, one note per beat).


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Re: How can I improve my rhythm hearing? [Re: michaelvi] #2770721
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Hi Michael I'm trying to understand with hopes of offering something to try..
I'm a little confused about you saying "Rhythmic deafness" .. if your teacher claps a rhythm can you clap it back? If yes.. then I wouldn't allow you to call yourself rhythmically deaf!

I think hearing "meter"... which sounds like what you were talking about earlier... takes a lot longer. I played piano for years and still when it was asked during theory tests I would literally count in my head and see if it was divisible by 3 or 4 cause I didn't know how else to do it. Listening to/playing waltzes gave me a better idea that meter does matter cause it determines where strong beats fall. Or even better, dance to it.

Also I wonder what your teacher means by complaining you "don't count" .. does that mean you're simply not reading the proper counts for certain notes? If so maybe you could write it in for the tricky parts.

Or does that mean you're speeding up or slowing down inappropriately (this is where a metronome would help)? Some people are more attuned to this than others and I think it's also something that takes a lot of time... any trained musician will have likely have better perception of a steady tempo than a person off the street.. but even after years of playing music, when I picked up viola in high school my teacher told me that I would speed up at what to me was an imperceptible rate and it drove her crazy. My piano teacher had never complained of anything of the sort.


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