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Bluthner Model 10 #2763789
09/06/18 03:55 PM
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Has anyone played a Bluthner Model 10? I've played a rebuilt Model 6 and was wondering how the 10 compares. Youtube videos sound good but that doesn't tell me much.

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Re: Bluthner Model 10 [Re: jarobi] #2763894
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It's a good piano, but that doesn't mean you'll like it. If you're considering buying one, make sure you play it first, don't buy it sight unseen.

Re: Bluthner Model 10 [Re: jarobi] #2763937
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I wouldn't buy without trying it. I'm trying to decide if it's worth traveling to do that.
Thanks.

Re: Bluthner Model 10 [Re: jarobi] #2763940
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Originally Posted by jarobi
I wouldn't buy without trying it. I'm trying to decide if it's worth traveling to do that.
Thanks.


You might want to post the year/serial number and sales price.... that might get a little more advice

Re: Bluthner Model 10 [Re: jarobi] #2763955
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It's a 1929, rebuilt 10 years ago. Asking price plus shipping would probably be $12K.

Re: Bluthner Model 10 [Re: jarobi] #2763957
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Originally Posted by jarobi
I wouldn't buy without trying it. I'm trying to decide if it's worth traveling to do that.
Thanks.


If it's a fairly recent model, and by that I mean built after c.1995, then yes it's an excellent piano, one of the best available in that size. For a small instrument it does have a full rich bass, and the sheer quality of tone is enough to make up for any supposed deficiencies in the length of the piano. They use the highest quality parts and are as good as every other tier one maker. For some, Blüthner is an acquired taste, but for those who have acquired it, it can be the most rewarding of relationships.

This assumes that the piano is in good condition, has been well looked after, properly regulated, tuned and voiced, and has no major defects. Yes, even a younger piano can develop defects although it is rare. If it is a new piano, all of the above still applies, and make sure it is tuned and voiced because sometimes there have been issues with that at Blüthners.

If it is a communist era piano, or built just after the communist but using the same template and parts, so between 1960 and 1994, then this is a variable time for the Blüthner. There are some nice ones available from this period, the designs are still Blüthner, but the build was sometime hurried and the parts were not always the best. Add to this the fact that these pianos are now between 25 and 60 years old, and you've got more reason to exercise caution. With a communist era Blüthner, it's not necessarily a write off or a no go, but make sure the price is worth it. They CAN be made to sound beautiful, but it sometimes takes as much as a full restring with the down bearing recalculated, and/or a new set of hammers. Sometimes it takes as little as a tuning and a voicing.

If it's pre-communist era, yes they were excellent pianos, at that time it wouldn't have been the "Model 10" but it would have been the "Style 5" or "Style 4A" (I forget to be honest). All the usual rules apply about buying an old piano....

Re: Bluthner Model 10 [Re: jarobi] #2763958
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joe80, I guess we were typing at the same time. smile Thanks for the excellent information. It is a 1929 rebuilt 10 years ago.

Re: Bluthner Model 10 [Re: jarobi] #2764022
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So in that case it's either a Style IV at 4'11, a Style IV-A at 5'5, or a Style V at 5'8. They are all excellent models and make great candidates for rebuilding.

When considering any rebuilt piano you have to consider firstly:

1. Who rebuilt it? A good technician or good workshop will make sure no stone is unturned, and while that doesn't necessarily mean the piano has a new plank and soundboard, it means that the end result will be a piano that is stable, has a full singing tone, and a good touch.

2. What work was done to it? See above.

3. The rebuild was done 10 years ago. What kind of maintenance has the piano had in the past 10 years and what kind of playing has it had? What condition is the piano in 10 years after the rebuild. Taking points 1 and 2 into consideration, was there anything not done in the rebuild that should have been done, and has deteriorated further in the past decade?

4. How much does this piano cost? Is it a price that you are willing to pay?

5. What kind of action does it have? Is it the Blüthner patent action or a standard roller action? From a playing perspective, both are wonderful and the patent action is very special in its own right. However, being very special, it also requires specialist regulation that not all technicians are willing to do on it. Make sure the technician who will be looking after the piano after you've bought it knows what they're dealing with.

Hopefully it will be a wonderful piano and the start of a beautiful friendship. The 1920s were a great period for Blüthner and a properly restored piano from this period can give the most rewarding musical experiences.

Re: Bluthner Model 10 [Re: jarobi] #2764098
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My Blüthner was made in 1932. I know one manufacturer hates the expression but that really was a "golden age".

See my PM.


Currently working towards "Twinkle twinkle little star"
Re: Bluthner Model 10 [Re: joe80] #2764395
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Originally Posted by joe80


If it's pre-communist era, yes they were excellent pianos, at that time it wouldn't have been the "Model 10" but it would have been the "Style 5" or "Style 4A" (I forget to be honest). All the usual rules apply about buying an old piano....


It's advertised as a 1929 Model 10, but I think you're right, it's a 5' 5" Style 4A.

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Re: Bluthner Model 10 [Re: jarobi] #2764451
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Originally Posted by jarobi
Originally Posted by joe80


If it's pre-communist era, yes they were excellent pianos, at that time it wouldn't have been the "Model 10" but it would have been the "Style 5" or "Style 4A" (I forget to be honest). All the usual rules apply about buying an old piano....


It's advertised as a 1929 Model 10, but I think you're right, it's a 5' 5" Style 4A.


They're good pianos, arguably one of the best small grands ever made. Everything depends on the condition of the piano, and the rebuilding work that was done.

Re: Bluthner Model 10 [Re: jarobi] #2765680
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For recent vintage Bluthner pianos, I find the 5'5 model 10, and 6'3 model 6 very similar in tonal characteristic with the larger piano, of course, having a deeper bass.
The harmonic interaction content of these two models, as well as the 6'10 model 4, is extremely pronounced leading to an intriguing, somewhat haunting tone that is distinctly 'Bluthner'.
The lager models 2 and 1, differ somewhat in tonal characteristics but provide great purity and tonal definition.

I always found the intimate tone of Bluthner pianos very appealing.
For full disclosure, my business has been offering Bluthner Pianos for many years.

Last edited by Ori; 09/15/18 01:52 PM.

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Re: Bluthner Model 10 [Re: jarobi] #2765700
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Good to see you here again Ori.


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