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CLP625, or HP504 for my sister? #2765515
09/14/18 04:46 PM
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Hi guys from Pianoworld,

thanks for approving my registration. My sister attends piano lessons at music school, and we would like to purchase a new Digital Piano. We would like to replace our old broken acoustic piano with a digital version, as she will often practise in late afternoons and evenings. Although, neighbours haven't complained, it's also our matter of decency.

She won't probably pursue any intensive paths and competitions as she is more focused on Arts school, so the learning and playing would be for the pure enjoyment, but that will be only for her to decide in future. Mind you, I don't really have an ear for music, but as a consultant I like to do some research, and Pianoworld has been a huge help. Thank you. Though, I didn't find this particular comparison because of differences in new series releases. I tried to compare them indirectly but it started to be chaotic, and someone might be interested in this later as well.

Our budget is around €1,200 and I have narrowed it down to a few. It should mostly serve as a learning tool, so key action would be the most important.

Yamaha CLP625 - €1,150
Roland HP504 - €1,200
Kawai CN27 - €1,200

Roland HP601 (€1,400) and CLP635 (€1,700) are quite out of our price range. We were considering YDP163 as well but after reading dozens of threads here, and other forums we allowed a slightly higher price limit.

I know the best way to decide is to try it yourself, but ironically the store isn't opened on weekends, and the displayed models are 200 km apart, and my sister won't be able to get there.

As of today, I'm inclined towards Roland HP504. Is it a good deal to buy it today or as a discontinued model it's not worth it anymore? It's their last piece of HP504, and they advertise a discount of "25%" from MSRP. Other shops sell it for €1,500. Is 128 polyphony an issue vs the 256 polyphony of CLP? We were recommended Yamahas but according to some people the action keys are quite stiff and heavy, and I am afraid a little girl would have a harder time playing which could discourage her from learning.

TL;DR: Which one would be the best to learn on as a 10 year old at this price range, and would last a couple more years?

Thank you if you've read, and only a short answer would be needed and highly appreciated.

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Re: CLP625, or HP504 for my sister? [Re: thqp] #2765523
09/14/18 05:05 PM
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I have a Kawai but at those prices I would probably go for the Roland, it's a bit more flexible. End-of-range just means you're getting a bargain.

Re: CLP625, or HP504 for my sister? [Re: thqp] #2765533
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If it were for me, or someone asking me for a recommendation, I'd get the Roland. That's a very good price and the piano is good in terms of keyboard action, piano sound, features and build quality. And by the way 128 polyphony is more than enough. Even some of the best VST (computer based) pianos - considered by most professionals/hobbyists far superior to digital pianos - have a maximum of 128 voice polyphony. Not an issue.


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Re: CLP625, or HP504 for my sister? [Re: thqp] #2765543
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I'd personally enjoy playing the Kawai CN27 more. It's always been a favourite of mine, and it looks nice too. Totally pleasant.


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Re: CLP625, or HP504 for my sister? [Re: thqp] #2765545
09/14/18 06:15 PM
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HP504 with 25% off is a good deal.

If you have to buy one without being able to play them. Might as well go for the best deal.

Besides all these actions are good enoughfor a beginner/ intermediate player.

Re: CLP625, or HP504 for my sister? [Re: thqp] #2765575
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I understand that the Yamaha CLP635 is quite out of your budget range, but I would still recommend you to go for it even if it means waiting a little longer to save up the money to buy it. The reason being that the 635 is a HUGE upgrade from the 625 and it is going to be worth all that money. That added VRM technology in the 635 along with its more powerful and larger speakers are really something even a beginner would appreciate. Furthermore, the better the quality of the digital piano, the longer it's going to last.

However, if that's really too much of a stretch for you, then the CLP625 is still a really good piano for that money, especially for total beginners.

Re: CLP625, or HP504 for my sister? [Re: thqp] #2765823
09/16/18 07:26 AM
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Hello thqp,

Three years ago I made the same choice, I played all the pianos you considered and chose the HP504, even if it sold for significantly more back then. It has the best action and the best sound from the models you're considering, as far as I'm concerned, although preferences do vary somewhat. The action may be ~objectively said to be the best (again, there is some preference involved), the sound is definitely a more subjective matter.

If you could stretch to the HP601 (which I found for 1370e), it's definitely worth the 160 euros extra.
Btw, if the HP504 is a floor model, you should definitely get it for a lower price. And even if it isn't, say that you found the HP601 for only 160 euros more, and for such a small difference, you'd buy that one. But that you'd be inclined to get the HP504 if they're willing to accept 1050e for it. I'm pretty sure they'll be willing to come down in price a little. Maybe not that much, in which case, ask them to also include a matching adjustable bench in the newly discussed price and headphones. Again, maybe they won't include them in that price, but bottom line, you should be able to get it for under 1200e, or maybe for 1200e but with bench and headphones included.

Re: CLP625, or HP504 for my sister? [Re: thqp] #2766871
09/21/18 12:37 PM
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Hi again,

I'm sorry that I didn't respond immediately but I had read it all and had taken all information into consideration, really did!
In the end, we decided to go try the pianos ourselves except for the Kawai which wasn't on display. One shop had the mentioned HP504 and CLP635, so we had to try the CLP625 in another city. It took a few days as I was busy working as I live even elsewhere.

I personally liked the Yamahas better – as the sound was more pleasing to the ear without headphones, and I enjoyed the action more as well. My sister though, preferred the Roland because of the lighter keys (compared to Yamaha), so we decided to go for it. Yes our e-shops offer HP601 at a discounted price of €1,350 in Rosewood colour, but unfortunately the delivery time takes more than a month. As well as CLP635, both are already over the budget as we've had already stretched it to €1,200 from YDP163 price. We'll se about in five years whether an upgrade will be needed, and then we'll invest in LX-17 alternative or acoustic.

So we were set on HP504, and the final step was haggling, which @mcoll answer helped a lot with in regards of the reasoning and knowing expected price. Thank you for your advice!
After a few days of bargaining we ended up on €1,100 including a Roland bench. I also had an offer for CLP625 whole set for €1,080 but Roland was a priority.

TL;DR: Thank you very much everyone once again. This is a superb community and has been very helpful. The HP504 is on order and will be home on Monday. I'm even envious myself, and I'm thinking of purchasing one for my own apartment. laugh

Re: CLP625, or HP504 for my sister? [Re: thqp] #2766927
09/21/18 05:23 PM
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Would you care to post your purchase information in the Prices Paid thread ?

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Congratulations! I'm glad it turned out so nicely!


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