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Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: James Guo] #2763488
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Maybe one day, Steinway would make their fall board removable without unscrewing cheek blocks.....sigh......




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Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: Bob] #2763490
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Originally Posted by Bob
Maybe one day, Steinway would make their fall board removable without unscrewing cheek blocks.....sigh......


.....one day. (heavy sigh).


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Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: James Guo] #2763493
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It's quite complicated, the story of this piano brand... What for???

Just one thing I know: in europe (and many others country), when talking about Steinway pianos, everybody mean Hamburg Steinways. They're just don't care that american made Steinways existe or not.

Quite complicated... sleep

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Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: James Guo] #2763612
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Maybe one day, Steinway would make their fall board removable without unscrewing cheek blocks.....sigh......


I like the Yamaha way. Large wing nut head on the wood screw so that you don't need a screw driver.

Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: James Guo] #2763653
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Steinway won't do that because: "Wings can break off". (Joe Bisceglie)

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Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: James Guo] #2763669
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You can always change the screw. Actually, I would like to see them do what Mason & Hamlin did, and change the hinges on the fallboard so they are wider.


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Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: P W Grey] #2763679
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Originally Posted by P W Grey
Steinway won't do that because: "Wings can break off". (Joe Bisceglie)

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And screw heads can strip.

Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: trandinhnamanh] #2763706
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Originally Posted by trandinhnamanh
It's quite complicated, the story of this piano brand... What for???

Just one thing I know: in europe (and many others country), when talking about Steinway pianos, everybody mean Hamburg Steinways. They're just don't care that american made Steinways existe or not.

Quite complicated... sleep


Gosh! I hope that France and the US continue to maintain diplomatic relations following the final comment above. crazy
To put the record absolutely straight, in Europe certainly not everybody relates Steinway only to Hamburg. That was a grossly exaggerated, and frankly mesquin comment.
Being from France too, I'll just keep a low profile until further notice....... wink


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Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: Ed McMorrow, RPT] #2763711
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Originally Posted by Ed McMorrow, RPT
I know some here recoil in horror when I point it out but, Renner action parts have a problem with the center pins working out of the flanges after just a few years of use. They also get "mystery sluggushness" where the action center seizes after playing for an hour or two, then let it rest and it will work again. Much less of an issue with NY parts.


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Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: Ed McMorrow, RPT] #2763975
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Originally Posted by Ed McMorrow, RPT
I know some here recoil in horror when I point it out but, Renner action parts have a problem with the center pins working out of the flanges after just a few years of use. They also get "mystery sluggushness" where the action center seizes after playing for an hour or two, then let it rest and it will work again. Much less of an issue with NY parts.


If there were an issue, Renner has or will fix it. I've never had an issue with my piano's Renner action.


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Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: Lakeviewsteve] #2763996
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Originally Posted by Lakeviewsteve
Originally Posted by Ed McMorrow, RPT
I know some here recoil in horror when I point it out but, Renner action parts have a problem with the center pins working out of the flanges after just a few years of use. They also get "mystery sluggushness" where the action center seizes after playing for an hour or two, then let it rest and it will work again. Much less of an issue with NY parts.


If there were an issue, Renner has or will fix it. I've never had an issue with my piano's Renner action.


I felt like Ed was mind reading as I just had a centre pin work its way loose on my renner a few weeks ago. It was interfering with the key next to it and causing weird buzzing noises. Had to get it repinned. Was funny watching the tech choose much thicker pins and still see them slide out!

Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: Lakeviewsteve] #2764024
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If there were an issue, Renner has or will fix it. I've never had an issue with my piano's Renner action.[/quote]

The manufacturers have to take it on the chin when things go wrong. Not the subcontractor action company.


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Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: S. Phillips] #2764066
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Sally,
Many technicians have pointed out these center pin issue with Renner action parts for many, many years now and I have not seen a substantive response.

When I get a call to serivce a 10 YO grand with a Renner action, I can almost guarantee finding a couple of center pins on the way out if the piano is played often. Other actions can have this problem also, but not with the regularity of Renner.


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Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: James Guo] #2764188
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I have had these problems with these actions as well. I live in Georgia. The NY actions work better here. But my comment above is that if a manufacturer installs an action into their piano, it becomes their problem not the actual action manufacturer's. That is why most manufacturers closely inspect and repin to try to make sure this does not happen in their instruments. But if it does and the customers complains the manufacturer has to make it good not the action maker.


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Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: S. Phillips] #2764201
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Originally Posted by S. Phillips
I have had these problems with these actions as well. I live in Georgia. The NY actions work better here. But my comment above is that if a manufacturer installs an action into their piano, it becomes their problem not the actual action manufacturer's. That is why most manufacturers closely inspect and repin to try to make sure this does not happen in their instruments. But if it does and the customers complains the manufacturer has to make it good not the action maker.


Thanks for the clarification. I had originally misinterpreted your original statement.


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Sally, you are of course, talking about Renner parts in newly purchased German Steinways. As long as the piano is in warranty, it would indeed be the obligation of the manufacturer to remedy the parts.

No such luck for a rebuilder putting Renner parts in a Steinway or, for that matter, any number of other makes. There the rebuilder takes it on the chin. These are longstanding problems with Renner parts, and that is why I and a number of other rebuilders no longer use them. I did use them exclusively for quite a period of time.


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Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: James Guo] #2764283
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Ok, so the whole world uses Hamburg Steinway pianos that have inferior quality Renner action than american made Steinways... wow ha


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Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: James Guo] #2764284
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Ok, so the whole world who uses Hamburg Steinway pianos that have inferior quality Renner action than american made Steinways...


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Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: trandinhnamanh] #2764292
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Originally Posted by trandinhnamanh
Ok, so the whole world uses Hamburg Steinway pianos that have inferior quality Renner action than american made Steinways... wow ha


No, you don't read properly - they have to re-pin the action centers to get good durability and reliability out of them.

Re: Steinway Hamburg vs New York [Re: ando] #2764309
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Ok, so the whole world uses Hamburg Steinway pianos that have inferior quality Renner action than american made Steinways... wow ha


No, you don't read properly - they have to re-pin the action centers to get good durability and reliability out of them.

Why people around the world didn’t have to re-pin the action centers but only americans?


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