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D7/G #2761472
08/28/18 06:42 AM
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In a piano arrangement of a traditional Swedish tune (Glädjens blomster) the left hands begins with Gm and D7/G (that how the guitar analysis tells us)
Gm is G-Bb-D.
D7/G is G-A-C.
How would you analyse this yourself?

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Re: D7/G [Re: iamanders] #2761477
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Originally Posted by iamanders
In a piano arrangement of a traditional Swedish tune (Glädjens blomster) the left hands begins with Gm and D7/G (that how the guitar analysis tells us)
Gm is G-Bb-D.
D7/G is G-A-C.
How would you analyse this yourself?
Hi! I would like to see the original sheets. D7 / G sounds like an error if there are no other similar chords.
G-A-C can be A-7/G /avoid 5

Re: D7/G [Re: iamanders] #2761496
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Looks like an error to me, as well. A D7 chord has to have an F# and and C (3rd and 7th), and F# and G don't get along very well. Could be a D-7 over G, which is really a Gsus.

Re: D7/G [Re: iamanders] #2761549
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simple D7

http://www.folkwiki.se/Musik/978

D7 is a dom7 chord for G minor, it would make no sense to play D7/G.

Re: D7/G [Re: iamanders] #2761639
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Re: D7/G [Re: iamanders] #2761654
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Originally Posted by iamanders

It is what is wrtten: D7/G. The RH traces a D chord, the LH has the C and other notes of the D7 chord, but there is a G on the bottom, almost like a pedal. The G is lingering in the bass from the previous measure, and then it resolves fully into D7. I played it. It doesn't sound bad. Were it D G AC then you'd have a Dsus7 resolving in the next measure to D7.

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Re: D7/G [Re: iamanders] #2761656
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- that's right, D7/G and it works fine - not unusual at all.

I checked out a couple of choral version on YT and - key differences aside - they sing the D major chord (no 7th) without the pedal G. But they also sing a passing chord on beat 3 of the first bar just before the D chord. See if you can figure it out, iamanders - good exercise for the listener....

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Now that there are notes, we can understand the style and logic of chords. keystring wrote exactly; and the last 3 bars keep the same principle of bass pedal G.

Re: D7/G [Re: iamanders] #2761917
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The thing is: in the four part harmoby I tried to learn only the melody had non-chord tones.
I never saw a D7/G in the examples. On the other hand it was only beginner harmony.
What should one make of this?
The rules of four part harmony work when the music is wrtitten in that style. Our way of thinking must be a bit different in this case.

Re: D7/G [Re: iamanders] #2761928
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Originally Posted by iamanders
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What should one make of this?
The rules of four part harmony work when the music is wrtitten in that style. Our way of thinking must be a bit different in this case.


What I would make of it, is that rules are made to be broken. There is no G in a D7, but writing this as D7/G will get you to the notes faster, then insisting on some obscure chord naming to fit with a G Bass. In other words, it's cheating but works.

Re: D7/G [Re: Greener] #2762119
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Originally Posted by Greener
There is no G in a D7, but writing this as D7/G will get you to the notes faster, then insisting on some obscure chord naming to fit with a G Bass.

Namely D11

Re: D7/G [Re: Iaroslav Vasiliev] #2762138
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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Originally Posted by Greener
There is no G in a D7, but writing this as D7/G will get you to the notes faster, then insisting on some obscure chord naming to fit with a G Bass.

Namely D11

Yes, but, more precisely ... D11/G (drop 9), or D7 +11/G. This is now 5 part harmony.

D7/G just looks a lot easier and accomplishes the same thing. So, they may have written as such, as intended for someone studying 4 part harmony.


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