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Re: Casio GP 400 SALE [Re: Nordomus] #2755136
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The model in GFM uk is likely a shop display model; the guarantee is for two years only unless you pay extra.


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Re: Casio GP 400 SALE [Re: clothearednincompo] #2755182
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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
I noticed a while ago that the white polished Roland DP-603 prices have dropped in German music stores, but didn't want to say anything, as people might think that I work for all the German music stores and/or Roland.

It seems you were right not to do that as you can see on my example smile Still I hope someone will benefit from that price information.

Re: Casio GP 400 SALE [Re: Nordomus] #2755244
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I bought my GP-400 about 3 month ago. This is a really good price but for some reason DP's are cheaper in Europe then in US.

I have seen only one sale of the GP-400 forgot how much it was. The Casio's are not being advertised much.

I have no idea if they were a success for Casio. I know I do like my 400

Will be interesting to see if they come out with any new GP models.



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Re: Casio GP 400 SALE [Re: Learux] #2755290
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Originally Posted by Learux
I bought my GP-400 about 3 month ago. This is a really good price but for some reason DP's are cheaper in Europe then in US.


That's the thing, not whole EU, only UK as far as I can see. Strange.

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Re: Casio GP 400 SALE [Re: Nordomus] #2761105
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I tried today the Casio GP-400 and it sounded good for the 3 default piano sounds (Berlin, Hamburg, and Vienna) but, for the other sounds, they did not sound great.
In particular, the harpsichord sound sounded really not great at all and that is strange considering the fact that it should be one of the most important sounds after the 3 default pianos.
Moreover, the quality of the music stand to put the scores seems really not great at all, making wonder if it would last even a few months with scores on it before falling down?! Even for £2000, the quality of the product seems not that high except for the keyboard action.
Of course, the keyboard touch was very good.

With such a huge decrease in price at the moment, I have the feeling that this sale is planned only because there will be a new range of Casio Celviano GP Grand Hybrid pianos? Any rumors on this matter?

Re: Casio GP 400 SALE [Re: MikePianoLover] #2761109
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Originally Posted by MikePianoLover

Of course, the keyboard touch was very good.



How is the touch compared to the Kawai Grand Feel 2? I know it is advertised as a hybrid piano but on various videos it seems to be closer the the GF/GF2.


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Re: Casio GP 400 SALE [Re: Nordomus] #2761110
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I have no issues with the music stand have lots, of heavy books and a tablet on it 24/7. Feels as sturdy as day one.


For £2000 you get yourself a great piano. Is there better ones out there. Absolutely but for the price it will be hard to do better. I bought it mostly for the key action. I knew I was going to purchase an acoustic and didn't want to spend a fortune on a DP.

Leave the Casio name out of it. Play it and give it an honest chance. (Wear headphones, isn't that the main reason to buy a DP. So you can do silent practice)

Make sure to factory reset before you try.

You just might be surprised



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Re: Casio GP 400 SALE [Re: Nordomus] #2761112
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Another remark and I do not know if the other makers of digital pianos do the same trick but the 35 built-in tones are in fact just 15 built-in tones with various variations of the same original tone!! That is really very low and you see that very quickly by checking the tones when you use the Casio GP-400, as you wonder where are the supposed 35 built-in tones when in fact there are only 15!!!

Here it is!
From “GP-400 Specifications | CELVIANO Grand Hybrid | Electronic Musical Instruments | CASIO” at https://www.casio-intl.com/sg/en/emi/products/gp400bk/spec/)

Tones
35 built-in tones:

BERLIN GRAND,
BERLIN GRAND MELLOW,
BERLIN GRAND BRIGHT,

HAMBURG GRAND,
HAMBURG GRAND MELLOW,
HAMBURG GRAND BRIGHT,

VIENNA GRAND,
VIENNA GRAND MELLOW,
VIENNA GRAND BRIGHT,

GRAND PIANO MODERN,
GRAND PIANO ROCK,
GRAND PIANO JAZZ,
GRAND PIANO POP,
GRAND PIANO DANCE,

HONKY-TONK PIANO,
PIANO PAD,

ELECTRIC PIANO 1,
ELECTRIC PIANO 2,
ELECTRIC PIANO 3,

FM E.PIANO,
60'S E.PIANO,
HARPSICHORD,
VIBRAPHONE,

STRINGS 1,
STRINGS 2,

SYNTH-PAD,

PIPE ORGAN 1,
PIPE ORGAN 2,
JAZZ ORGAN,
ELECTRIC ORGAN 1,
ELECTRIC ORGAN 2,
ELECTRIC ORGAN 3,

ACOUSTIC BASS,
RIDE BASS,
ELEC.BASS

Re: Casio GP 400 SALE [Re: Nordomus] #2761115
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I would have still bought it if it only had Berlin-, Hamburg- and Vienna grand.

Who would play this instrument to listen to Jazz Organ.

You can do that on a $100 Casio wink



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Re: Casio GP 400 SALE [Re: Learux] #2761122
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Originally Posted by Learux
I would have still bought it if it only had Berlin-, Hamburg- and Vienna grand.

Who would play this instrument to listen to Jazz Organ.

You can do that on a $100 Casio wink

Exactly, I buy digital piano to play.. piano. But yeah I understand that this is misinformation on Casio's part.

Re: Casio GP 400 SALE [Re: Nordomus] #2761128
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I tried a GP-500 against a Yamaha CLP645 today, since I' m interested in the forthcoming Yamaha P515 which has the same keybed as the 645.

My focus is on classical and improving technique and for this I found the NWX keybed just too light. I was running through scales and arpeggios without feeling any fatigue whatsoever...it feels like there is very little resistance, even with the escapement. I don't feel like my hands were being put through their paces on it.

By contrast the GP500 felt great, and much closer to a real acoustic.True, I didn't prefer the sound as much as the Yamaha, but it was 'good enough'. Since the GP400 which has the same keybed is only £500 more expensive here in the UK than the forthcoming 515, I am leaning towards the GP400.

I think for classical players wanting to get as close as possible to the action of an acoustic just to keep their fingers 'in training', the hybrids are the way to go and the Casio's are the most affordable of those.

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Exactly my sentiment and the reason I bought the GP-400.



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Re: Casio GP 400 SALE [Re: MikePianoLover] #2761152
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Yamaha does the same thing. Mine has 14 voices, but each one comes in two varieties. So they claim 28 voices. (And they all suck, so I only use VSTs.)
Originally Posted by MikePianoLover
Another remark and I do not know if the other makers of digital pianos do the same trick but the 35 built-in tones are in fact just 15 built-in tones with various variations of the same original tone!! That is really very low and you see that very quickly by checking the tones when you use the Casio GP-400, as you wonder where are the supposed 35 built-in tones when in fact there are only 15!!!

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I just might have to try a free version of a VST and give it a spin. Curious how much difference it makes.

Why don't the manufactures use those samples for their piano's. Wouldn't that be a great selling point?



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Originally Posted by Learux
I just might have to try a free version of a VST and give it a spin. Curious how much difference it makes.

Why don't the manufactures use those samples for their piano's. Wouldn't that be a great selling point?


For me it doesn't make such difference, depends on person though. Sound projection is more important for me. Sure some VST pianos are awesome but it's a hassle to set up and use. Your second question is much more interesting, I have no idea why the didn't include some VST pianos in any of the digitals so far, strange.

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Originally Posted by Learux
I just might have to try a free version of a VST and give it a spin. Curious how much difference it makes.

Why don't the manufactures use those samples for their piano's. Wouldn't that be a great selling point?



The day is coming . . . .I already feel that digital pianos as we know them are obsolete. I would not consider wasting good money on one other than for a decent keyboard.


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Re: Casio GP 400 SALE [Re: sh1] #2761244
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Originally Posted by sh1
I think for classical players wanting to get as close as possible to the action of an acoustic just to keep their fingers 'in training', the hybrids are the way to go and the Casio's are the most affordable of those.



In what way are the Casio GP pianos hybrids exactly? Their marketing has obviously worked on you!


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Re: Casio GP 400 SALE [Re: Nordomus] #2761295
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Please don't start this again. We have enough posts on this matter already.



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Re: Casio GP 400 SALE [Re: Learux] #2761297
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Originally Posted by Learux
Please don't start this again. We have enough posts on this matter already.


If you're referring to me, clearly there are not enough posts about it, because the idea that the Casio is a true hybrid seems to persist. Wholly erroneously of course.


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Definitely not enough. Though the point has been beaten to death, the idea that the Casio GP are hybrids still persists and it is misleading. It is a hybrid in the same sense that the CA78 and CA98 are. The latter maybe even more so since it has a soundboard (but still not a hybrid).
This is misleading marketing and the fact that the keysticks are wood does not make the piano a hybrid in the sense that the word is (or should be) used when it comes to digital pianos.

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