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What is the most difficult piece adult beginner ever played? #2760527
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Questions like "Can adult beginner become pianist?" or "Can adult beginner reach pro level" etc. periodically apear on the forum, followed by various answer that are usually just someone's toughts and speculations.
Nevertheless, we have, probably, the biggest database of adult beginners in the world:) So, one fact can be discovered here: what's the most difficult piece adult beginner (forum member, most likely) ever played?
P.S.: "Adult beginner" for me is a person who started after 18 and never touched piano before.


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Re: What is the most difficult piece adult beginner ever played? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2760537
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For me it was when I played John Cage's 4'33".

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Originally Posted by Beemer
For me it was when I played John Cage's 4'33".

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Just "played" or "played well"? How well? Herein lies the problem...


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Re: What is the most difficult piece adult beginner ever played? [Re: Beemer] #2760545
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Originally Posted by Beemer
For me it was when I played John Cage's 4'33".

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lol - I gotta teach that one to my wife -


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Re: What is the most difficult piece adult beginner ever played? [Re: Qazsedcft] #2760546
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Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
Just "played" or "played well"? How well? Herein lies the problem...

Exactly what I was thinking.

The hardest piece I tried to play was Rachmaninoff prelude in C sharp minor. And it was clearly so much above my level that the result was not very convincing.

But I'm sure there are adult beginners here that have a lot of experience and that can play really hard pieces convincingly. But they are no more beginners, so it goes against your question... So I don't see how we can really answer.


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Re: What is the most difficult piece adult beginner ever played? [Re: cmb13] #2760550
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Originally Posted by cmb13
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For me it was when I played John Cage's 4'33".

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lol - I gotta teach that one to my wife -


Have you seen the music for it? I challenge anyone to play this piece without using any metronome or timing device as a crutch. You need to perform it by sight-reading the music. After you finish (sight-reading the rests) if it wasn't 4'33", then you did not respect the intention of the composer and failed. Now try it again at the right tempo!

(I think even Cage cheated and used a watch when he performed it.)

Re: What is the most difficult piece adult beginner ever played? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2760575
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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
Questions like "Can adult beginner become pianist?" or "Can adult beginner reach pro level" etc. periodically apear on the forum, followed by various answer that are usually just someone's toughts and speculations.
Nevertheless, we have, probably, the biggest database of adult beginners in the world:) So, one fact can be discovered here: what's the most difficult piece adult beginner (forum member, most likely) ever played?
P.S.: "Adult beginner" for me is a person who started after 18 and never touched piano before.


To me the question doesn't make any sense. If, by your definition, an adult beginner is someone who started playing the piano at 18 but if s/he has now been playing for several years - if not a few decades - s/he may well be into very advanced repertoire. So, the most difficult piece may be a piece that comes after years of practice and study, perhaps even after performances and competitions.

I really don't see the point of the question as it was formulated.

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Re: What is the most difficult piece adult beginner ever played? [Re: CadenzaVvi] #2760577
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Originally Posted by Jouishy
Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
Just "played" or "played well"? How well? Herein lies the problem...

Exactly what I was thinking.

The hardest piece I tried to play was Rachmaninoff prelude in C sharp minor. And it was clearly so much above my level that the result was not very convincing.

But I'm sure there are adult beginners here that have a lot of experience and that can play really hard pieces convincingly. But they are no more beginners, so it goes against your question... So I don't see how we can really answer.



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I should write "those who started as adults", because that is what I really meant)) Those who began when were adults already:) No matter how much time ago. May be here is some one who started at the age of 20, and know he/she is 60 and keeps on playing and practicing - it's interesting to know what level can "adult-starter" reach in 40 years"))


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Re: What is the most difficult piece adult beginner ever played? [Re: BruceD] #2760578
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Originally Posted by BruceD

To me the question doesn't make any sense. If, by your definition, an adult beginner is someone who started playing the piano at 18 but if s/he has now been playing for several years - if not a few decades - s/he may well be into very advanced repertoire.


Sorry for wrong-formulated question:(

Yeah. I just wanted a couple of example of the most advanced repertoir from the "adult-starters".


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Re: What is the most difficult piece adult beginner ever played? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2760582
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Well, I started nearly 5 years ago and played Debussy's Prelude VIII, Liszt's Consolation in Db. Not sure how well, and not sure these are of the difficulty level you are searching for. There are others on here who have played Chopin's Ballades, and other more advanced pieces. I would think someone starting even at 30 or 40 playing for 10 to 20 years can accomplish quite a lot given time , and more importantly, motivation.


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Re: What is the most difficult piece adult beginner ever played? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2760595
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Mia and Sebastian’s Theme.I started piano at 72. 73 now . One year, 50 private weekly lessons and 4-6 hrs practice every day. Almost finished through page 3. Bought the full version cause first two sample pages looked doable. Way above my level but still love it. And yes, Ryan Gossling did learn what you saw him play in La La Land in 3 months.

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Originally Posted by Hotstrings
Mia and Sebastian’s Theme.I started piano at 72. 73 now . One year, 50 private weekly lessons and 4-6 hrs practice every day. Almost finished through page 3. Bought the full version cause first two sample pages looked doable. Way above my level but still love it. And yes, Ryan Gossling did learn what you saw him play in La La Land in 3 months.


That’s great commitment and practice discipline Hotstrings.


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Re: What is the most difficult piece adult beginner ever played? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2760623
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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33

P.S.: "Adult beginner" for me is a person who started after 18 and never touched piano before.


I always thought "Adult beginner" here means adult amateur piano players? If there is a "start playing after 18" requirement, a lot of people here, including myself, are not qualified.

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Six months self-taught, Chopin's Ballade no. 1 in G Minor. I want to play professionally. It was the hardest thing I ever had to do in my life.

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Originally Posted by Hotstrings
Mia and Sebastian’s Theme.I started piano at 72. 73 now . One year, 50 private weekly lessons and 4-6 hrs practice every day. Almost finished through page 3. Bought the full version cause first two sample pages looked doable. Way above my level but still love it. And yes, Ryan Gossling did learn what you saw him play in La La Land in 3 months.


This is an episode from popular russian movie: https://youtu.be/lmR7MQHv5-o?t=4s
The actor studied piano for several years and was an amateur pianist able to play this Chopin's etude himself, But what we see on the screen is his fingers moving, but not his sound. Professional pianist from Moscow conservatory was asked to play for this episode and her sound we hear in the movie. Professional pianist sound + actor's hands moving. The same was done with Tom Hulce in "Amadeus", as I know. WIth Adrien Brody in "The Pianist". And many other piano episodes with actors in various movies. Of course, it seems great to non-musicians that a person plays dificult pieces after a couple of months of piano studying. But such a "playing" can only make real professional smile (or laugh:)).


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When it comes to Classical music,, there is always the perception if you don't start before age 10, you can still play to a high level and become a teacher but probably won't be on stage as a performer. Unless you are a composer yourself you can be playing your own music.

Once learned to play mvt. 1 from the Bach Italian Concerto in F. Practiced it for a few weeks. Played it at a Christmas gathering and came out to around 4m. My parents tried to get me into piano at age 5 but gave up after a few lessons. Didn't touch a keyboard until my mid-30s. I played violin with my high school band and had some idea the type of music I'd play. Didn't find the polyphonic music of Bach with similar overlapping too challenging. Also played a piano transcription of the Toccata & Fugue in D minor and the Little Fugue in G minor without the organ bass part. Tend to stay away from music that require a lot of big hand jumps like some Chopin nocturnes.

Music that one person finds difficult may not be too challenging for another.

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I'd guess starting at 18, if you have talent, and work hard, the sky's the limit!

However, what about those of us oldies who start after age 65? What can we aspire to? smile


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Originally Posted by Lillith


However, what about those of us oldies who start after age 65? What can we aspire to? smile


That’s the way I understood the question.


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Originally Posted by Lillith
I'd guess starting at 18, if you have talent, and work hard, the sky's the limit!

However, what about those of us oldies who start after age 65? What can we aspire to? smile


When you get to your retirement age, most people would take up art or music as a hobby with no expectation of performing anywhere. There are people who may be active in their church and play a few hymns on Sunday. And then there are seniors who learned a few old tunes and perform in front of other seniors in old age homes.

Personally I'm always aware the dilemma of being an adult and a beginner. When I was younger, my parents got me into a few piano lessons but got nowhere (assumed the lack of talent) and quit. Restarting in my 30s didn't seem like a big deal and have been playing for the past 10 years. When you get older people don't automatically assume you are starting as a beginner because at your age you would have taken piano lessons for a few years already. Even in the beginning I'd learn a few songs from a beginner's book with easy song arrangements and at the same time push myself to play a few short pieces out of Bach English or French Suites to get myself up to the intermediate level.

The other day met a man playing a public piano at the local YMCA. Not sure his age (probably retired in his 60s) Don't think he was preparing to perform anywhere, just playing for his own interest. His sight reading is very good. Although he had a bit of difficulty playing a few Chopin nocturnes but got to the end. He played a few other pieces including Mozart Turkish Rondo and a few piano arrangements of pop songs.

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