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You gotta EQ your monitors..... home use
#2759865 08/20/18 12:24 PM
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RD-2000

First, I am a hack, not a gigging pro.

Moral of my story: if you want your keyboard to sound its best, you must play it back with a high-quality sound system.... not a volume blaster, but a high fidelity playback system.

I was not happy with the sounds out of my RD-2000 via my sound setup but was through the headphones.... so the problem was my sound system. I don't use a PA system or those crap monitors in the stores.... I want a big full sound so I use some old stereo equipment I had around.... an Adcom GFA 545 II and some big heavy A/D/S bookshelf speakers. Unfortunately, this is not a high-fidelity system so I needed to do some tweaking. I will get a better setup some day, but until then, you can improve your setup through some good EQ'ng. I pulled out and old Nikko 10-band equalizer I purchased circa 1979, hooked up a CD player, and played some test tones using a Stereophile test disc with warbles.

My 10-band Nikko equalizer looks like the swiss alps!

If you are thinking this '70s vintage piece of equipment will kill sound quality, well you are wrong. It already is not very good and this thing made it sound well… less turdy.

I used and old Stereophile test CD to make this work… it has 1/3 octave warbles… just fantastic and far superior than single frequency test tones. I set my old Realistic sound pressure meter to SLOW response and the old fashion VU meter stays steady. 1/3 octave warbles are great for smoothing and ignoring single frequency standing waves. John Atkinson did a nice job with these tones.

The challenge was the 1/3 octaves don’t match a 10-band equalizer… the equalizer has a slider for each octave (doubling of frequency) and the bumps and valleys don’t match what I was reading so a ton of trial and error and you just have to make it as smooth as you can get it.

I tested it with some Dave Brubeck I am intimately familiar with… boy it sound 10 times better with the Nikko EQ in there. I can see (or remember) why these EQs were so popular back in the day… they really did improve turdy equipment! Don’t let anyone tell you can’t polish these things… you can.

Here is a picture of the rig with the Realistic meter in the foreground… I actually had the meter set up deeper into the room… and my beloved Accuphase CD player and processor. The Nikko and Adcom amp are on the floor. Those two rods in the middle support my laptop for connection to the Roland … I do fantasy arranging… fantasy because my skills are also turdy. Beer is a nice polish for turdy talent.

Anywho.... my RD-2000 sounds really nice now... big, full, and not mucky and congested as it was sounding. And I sit right in the middle of it all. Nice.

I guess I will start looking for some powered monitors… maybe go used… anybody have a recommendation something for around $2k used?

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Re: You gotta EQ your monitors..... home use
Bruce In Philly #2759868 08/20/18 12:42 PM
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Glad that worked.

That is a monster Accuphase CD player.

A few tips as I also use monitors and an old stereo amplifier for music and my digital piano.

1. Your ADS bookshelf speakers are probably not near-field. That means they likely will sound better at least a meter away from your ears.

2. Try moving the monitors say a meter away from the back wall.

3. Try not to use EQ to boost anything ever; if you must use EQ, just trim the most outrageous peaks just a bit.

4. Getting "perfectly" flat fq response is impossible. Nearly flat fq response sounds, well, flat. One simple adjustment to bring some life back to loudspeakers is slightly boosting lower frequencies. You can look at EQ "house curves" in audiophile sites

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Bruce In Philly #2759902 08/20/18 03:20 PM
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I got a pair of Focal Alpha 80 monitors, and they sound fantastic. When I play Garritan CFX through them, I almost feel like I'm playing a real grand piano. They're way better than the stock speakers on my Casio Privia.

Two of these monitors will cost only $1000 brand new. They're about the same size as the speakers in your photo.

If you get them from Musician's Friend and sign up for their Backstage Pass, you'll get 8% back in reward points as well.

https://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/focal-alpha-80-studio-monitor-single

By the way, the speakers only have XLR and RCA inputs (no phono), so you may need to get the appropriate cables.

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Bruce In Philly #2759907 08/20/18 03:37 PM
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I'm of the opinion that speakers should be heard and not seen. To obviate the need for top quality speakers, or mediocre plus equaliser, why not go for a pair of supermarket headphones? They'll sound little different to lower grade named ones; in some cases a lot better. Mine cost me £18, they reduce the volume of my wife quite nicely and any speakers I play the piano through are guaranteed to sound tremendous . . . .
But then, Pianoteq has its own equaliser.


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Bruce In Philly #2759917 08/20/18 04:43 PM
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You guys are gonna be the death of me.

I shed my G.A.S. and I've not bought anything for the piano in a long while. (Yes, I got new headphones, but those were a birthday gift in March. I've not spent a dime.)

But now your raves are giving me the urge to get new monitors. And not cheap ones, either.

You guys are gonna be the death of me.


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