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Re: HELP J.M. Schweighofer in Wien piano - serial number 1558 [Re: Galjinocka] #2756128
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Originally Posted by Galjinocka
Fareham, your sarcasm is useless.:) I already have some potential buyers.


Excellent !

Incidentally, the figure of speech I used is probably paradiastole (mixed with a bit of facetiousness). Sarcasm it is not.


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Re: HELP J.M. Schweighofer in Wien piano - serial number 1558 [Re: myPianoOpinion] #2756142
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I do think it is a little unfair on the OP to be discussing Galjinocka's Petrof in this thread.

Can I suggest to MyPianoOpinion that you might contact Marc Widuch at Faszinationklaviere in Munich. He has considerable experience with nineteenth century instruments, including pianos with Viennese actions - for example you will see that at present he has an 1841 Bosendorfer. It is possible that he might be interested in buying your piano - but in any case, I would think that he would be able to give you some useful advice.

Re: HELP J.M. Schweighofer in Wien piano - serial number 1558 [Re: myPianoOpinion] #2756201
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Agreed. It would be a shame to resurrect that thread.


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Re: HELP J.M. Schweighofer in Wien piano - serial number 1558 [Re: BDB] #2756265
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Originally Posted by BDB
I looked a little closer at the photos, and find myself wondering why it has square tuning pins, and from that and the range of the piano, I suspect that it is newer than 1847, possibly about 1870. There is probably no way of knowing for certain, though.


I'd guess that the square pins are the result of it having been re-strung in the late 19th/early 20th century. If a full cosmetic restoration was desired, it would be fairly easy to get a blacksmith to knock out an authentic set of flat pins. The hard part would be the action. Unlike a modern piano, you can't just buy a stack from Renner, can you? Is there anybody who knows how to work on these things, and can get or make the parts?


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Re: HELP J.M. Schweighofer in Wien piano - serial number 1558 [Re: David-G] #2756266
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Originally Posted by David-G
Can I suggest to MyPianoOpinion that you might contact Marc Widuch at Faszinationklaviere in Munich.


Wow, thanks for that link. I guess there *is* someone who can work on these early 19th century instruments.

It really would be interesting to feel the action and hear the sound of the kind of instruments that Beethoven and Chopin had.


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Re: HELP J.M. Schweighofer in Wien piano - serial number 1558 [Re: David-G] #2756268
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Originally Posted by David-G
Can I suggest to MyPianoOpinion that you might contact Marc Widuch at Faszinationklaviere in Munich.

Fascinating site, one of the pianos was played by Liszt, von Bulow, and Brahms. Incredible


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Re: HELP J.M. Schweighofer in Wien piano - serial number 1558 [Re: myPianoOpinion] #2756533
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Plainly to state that the musical value would be zero is too hard and would IMHO only justified from a professional POV but not from a private lover.

If the Bösendorfer brand is thought as 1st class, then please take into account that Schweighofer is second to Bösendorfer i.e. 1B class, not much lesser than a Bosie grand. A lot of people take care of old Schweighofers, I also was tempted to do a test run on a much younger Schweighofer concert grand.

This old one with viennese action is from the time when young pianist Franz Liszt had to learn that his piano show on stage no longer could include two or three concert grands wrecked during his performance....

It depends. If the mechanism is fully OK, if the leather on the hammer heads is quite OK, if the damper mechanism is OK and if the piano can be adjusted, then a lover of old viennense/southern german actions might be happy with the Schweighofer grand.

This leads to the final question. If everything is good with that piano, if it holds the tuning forces, why restore it, why not keep it as it is?


Pls excuse any bad english.

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Re: HELP J.M. Schweighofer in Wien piano - serial number 1558 [Re: myPianoOpinion] #2757785
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It would take a lot to make that piano sing those Schumann or Brahms melodies again .,but it is still a wonderful instrument and needs a home somewhere .

Re: HELP J.M. Schweighofer in Wien piano - serial number 1558 [Re: myPianoOpinion] #2757786
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There are a lot more people who want to say what someone else should do with this piano than people who would actually do anything with it.


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Re: HELP J.M. Schweighofer in Wien piano - serial number 1558 [Re: myPianoOpinion] #2757792
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If only there was a Larry Fine from the 19th century he would point us in the right direction.Then perhaps people will stop being nasty to each other .

Re: HELP J.M. Schweighofer in Wien piano - serial number 1558 [Re: myPianoOpinion] #2757807
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If it is fully restored just hope it doesn't end up with a plush New York Steinways tone .I know that's not possible .Rather it stays silent . It is a survivor as is the much discussed Petrof .SURVIVOR think on that .

Re: HELP J.M. Schweighofer in Wien piano - serial number 1558 [Re: myPianoOpinion] #2757959
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Farhan you can frame what you said however you like . It was nasty actually disgusting.

Re: HELP J.M. Schweighofer in Wien piano - serial number 1558 [Re: BDB] #2758046
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Originally Posted by BDB
There are a lot more people who want to say what someone else should do with this piano than people who would actually do anything with it.



True -- Clearly the best idea so far is the link suggested by David-G. I hope the OP follows it up. That would be best for both him and the piano.


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Re: HELP J.M. Schweighofer in Wien piano - serial number 1558 [Re: myPianoOpinion] #2758047
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This wonderful piano has a buyer somewhere .,collector ,museum ,perhaps a display item in a piano store .Please let us hear what it sounds like when you are ready .I feel sure you can get more for it than suggested . I am sorry about some of strange things that have been said here but I am sure everyone wishes you good luck with finding the right buyer .I am not a piano expert ,just a retired music teacher however .

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