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Re: Steinway May be bought by China Company [Re: BDB] #2758041
08/13/18 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BDB

Have you gone to hear Ed's pianos? Have you adopted any of his innovations? Why should I if you will not? If all you are interested in doing is getting me to spend my time and money to satisfy your curiosity, perhaps you should be paying me to go and listen to his pianos.

Well, first, I am not a piano tech by trade, I am just an amateur. Second I am on the other side of the world, so it's not so easy. You are 2 states away. Have you never been to Seattle? Not even curious to drop in on Ed during all these years? I get the feeling from your comments towards his ideas that you wouldn't even try his pianos if they were 2 streets over. You come across as not very open to the ideas of others - although you do occasionally throw the odd idea of your own into the pot. The idea for the upright action was very recent though - and you didn't give the impression that you had actually built it. Seems like it was just an idea.

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Re: Steinway May be bought by China Company [Re: ando] #2758058
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I had never heard of Ed before he joined this forum. The only time I was in Seattle was before he joined. I think you do not have an idea of how far it is from here to Seattle. I would not know what to look for in Ed's pianos that would be so special. His claims about them are not specific enough.There are so few of his pianos that they do not have much bearing on anything that I might come across. Plus, what he proposes is too expensive for my clients.

Besides, my time is quite valuable. While this discussion has been going on, I have been discussing other piano matters with local school district teachers about their pianos, and I have some University pianos to tune in the next couple of days, plus lots of private parties that have had to wait while I put on concerts this summer.

What interests me is what I can do well quickly, and gives obvious results. By those standards, Ed's methods do not seem worthwhile.


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Re: Steinway May be bought by China Company [Re: BDB] #2758079
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Originally Posted by BDB
I had never heard of Ed before he joined this forum. The only time I was in Seattle was before he joined. I think you do not have an idea of how far it is from here to Seattle. I would not know what to look for in Ed's pianos that would be so special. His claims about them are not specific enough.

He has been quite specific though - there are even some patents. Do you think they give out patents for things that are unspecific?

It comes across more as professional rivalry rather than a paucity of information. You don't want to give an inch to your rival. Ed's the same mind you - it's just that he says more specific things than you do. You are actually incredibly unspecific about most things you say. I have no doubt you are an excellent and talented technician, but you do hide behind vagaries rather than have them subject to critical analysis.

Btw - never tell an Australian they don't know about distances! Lol.

Re: Steinway May be bought by China Company [Re: TheLoneliestMonk] #2758080
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BDB, if you were a member of the Piano Technicians Guild, you would know who Ed is, since it exists primarily for educational purposes, and can be joined by any technician who wants to advance his or her skills. New technicians with few skills can attend meetings, all they need to bring is their curiosity and desire.

If you wanted to sample Ed's pianos, all you need to bring is your ear and an open mind.

Over the period of the last 5 plus years, I have occasionally championed the use of Paulello hybrid scaling to readers of this forum. During this time, BDB has made snake oil types of comments and challenged my honesty as I had a civil conversation with other interested readers. He has also made those kinds of comments towards Ed and his fully tempered duplexes, and his use of Paulello wire as well. It's ok to disagree, but it is how we go about it that is important.

During these years of arguing that it cannot possibly work, BDB has never made any effort to listen to it, yet still continues to denigrate others and their reported success with the wire. In fairness to BDB, the wire is not widely used and not available through our usual supply houses. It is an expensive specialty item, but can be had from JD Grandt in Canada, or Stephen Paulello in France. So I extended the offer of sending BDB some samples of the wire, without charge to him. Then he could try it at his leisure and convenience, and make his own judgments.

At that point, BDB went silent. He has never taken me up on the offer, even as he periodically continues to argue against its merits in his own acidic style.

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Re: Steinway May be bought by China Company [Re: TheLoneliestMonk] #2758090
08/13/18 07:37 AM
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I am not expert enough to say who is right or wrong as far as the piano technician discussion going on here. But it does look like this discussion has degenerated into the typical "mine is bigger than yours" competition which is often found in the technicians forum. I don't like it there, either.

Topic Closed.


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