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Question for VPC1 users #2757433
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I was wondering, for those of you who have owned a VPC1 for a while now, and given intensive use to it, how is the instrument holding up?

Do you see/feel any wear, uneven keys, weird noises or clicky keys?

I'm considering buying a used one as my main practice instrument and I wonder if I should just use that money to go for an acoustic.

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Re: Question for VPC1 users [Re: upbeat] #2757463
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I have VPC1 for 4 years and no problems with keys whatsoever. I found a small problem outside the action with front part of cabinet below keys which is bending a little to inside and hold one key to turning back when I press them. But not big deal. It is easy to fix, just unscrew and band in opposite direction if problem comes anyway.

Re: Question for VPC1 users [Re: upbeat] #2757469
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I bought a VPC1 from one of the first badges that reached Germany, as such an instrument was more or less what I had been waiting for. Since then I use it every day (or should I say night) when I am not traveling, for night practice or when I think my neighbors have had enough of me playing my grand (my main instrument). I don't pound on it for hours, but say about an hour on average.

No problems whatsoever. I like the action a lot, it is easy for me to go back and forth to my grand after I found the right touch curve for triggering my Nord on top of the VPC1. The touch curves are a big plus for me. If anything, the shiny white on the keys has turned a little matte over time. No mechanical problems, the keys are smooth and silent as on the first day. (No comparison to the Fatar actions of the Nord by the way, and better than the Yamaha actions I know - far above the GHS, well above the GH and still above the NW action in the CP4 which I also own. The latter action, by the way, is not really worse but rather different in character.)

I think the VPC1 is still quite unique. As long as no similar and better instrument arrives I would buy it again anytime.

BUT: If you are asking yourself whether you should rather go for an acoustic, I would tend to suggest - the acoustic is the way to go! For other reasons: Acoustic pianos, after all, are still the real thing...


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Re: Question for VPC1 users [Re: upbeat] #2757540
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I haven't had mine long enough to comment yet, about 4 or 5 months.

What I do is make sure I cover it (just a couple of clean towels) when not in use, and also after a practise session, I give the keys a little wipe with a microfibre cloth in an attempt to combat dust and sweat.

I think the main thing to look out for with any piano is dust and stuff getting inbetween the keys and in to the action etc. - that's the way I figure it anyway.

I think the guarantee on them is 5 years, no?

Really, I think you should try and ask Kawai James about this.

I do know that the VPC1 is a professional stage controller, which means the build quality has to be very robust and made to last.

For the record, I play mine between two and three hours a day.

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Re: Question for VPC1 users [Re: upbeat] #2757606
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Best keyboard I've ever had, now going on 2 years, no problems. If you love piano and can't afford a good upright or a small grand this is the one. Fantastic feel. I'd purchase it again in a heartbeat.

Re: Question for VPC1 users [Re: upbeat] #2757616
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After one year, I've had no problems at all with the keyboard unit. The pedal units, however, are far more prone to malfunction, and I'm on my third one thus far. The pedal unit that ships with the VPC-1 seems to be the only one that works with it without any major modifications, so it isn't as if I could switch it out with a more reliable unit (e.g., the RPU-3). For this reason, I'd be conflicted about buying the VPC-1 again.

Re: Question for VPC1 users [Re: upbeat] #2758159
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Thanks everyone for the input. I'm inclined to go acoustic, but I'm not sure at what point it would make sense to choose one over the VPC1 + Garritan CFX (to name one combination). Would a Samick from the 80s be a better buy? A used K2? A newer Kohler & Campbell Millenium series? Or would it be smarter to get the VPC1 and save to get a baby grand maybe a couple of years down the road?

Re: Question for VPC1 users [Re: upbeat] #2758176
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I've had my VPC1 for a couple of years and its taken one heck of a pounding. The action is still spot on but the metal casing is a bit beaten up, but that's more down to my small studio space and inebriated musicians more than any criticism of the keyboard itself.

With a decent software and monitoring setup, I think its pretty much as good as you can get for a digital setup.

Re: Question for VPC1 users [Re: upbeat] #2758184
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You offer an apples vs. oranges comparison. A digital piano (with or without a VST) is a very different beast compared to an acoustic piano.
Deciding on which is "better" depends heavily on your use case.
Originally Posted by upbeat
Thanks everyone for the input. I'm inclined to go acoustic, but I'm not sure at what point it would make sense to choose one over the VPC1 + Garritan CFX (to name one combination). Would a Samick from the 80s be a better buy? A used K2? A newer Kohler & Campbell Millenium series? Or would it be smarter to get the VPC1 and save to get a baby grand maybe a couple of years down the road?

Re: Question for VPC1 users [Re: upbeat] #2758347
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Can confirm the VPC1 still runs smoothy after years of daily use. I have used this red felt cover to cover the keys up to prevent dust and cat hairs from falling in.


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Re: Question for VPC1 users [Re: upbeat] #2758354
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VPC1 user here for 3 years. The instrument still works 100%. Only issue is that some of the key's aren't aligned perfectly. It came like that out of the box though, and it works fine; these are 0,25 mm adjustments so I'm probably nitpicking.

Re: Question for VPC1 users [Re: Zaphod] #2758356
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Hi,

4 years of hobbyist use (around 1 or 2 hours/day), i have 2 slightly clicking keys (i've had this problem with all my DP and i've owned about 6 or 7).

Overall a very good keyboard, the best i've owned by far not counting real pianos, i'm very happy with the action, it helped me progress a lot.

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Re: Question for VPC1 users [Re: upbeat] #2758396
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Originally Posted by upbeat
Thanks everyone for the input. I'm inclined to go acoustic, but I'm not sure at what point it would make sense to choose one over the VPC1 + Garritan CFX (to name one combination). Would a Samick from the 80s be a better buy? A used K2? A newer Kohler & Campbell Millenium series? Or would it be smarter to get the VPC1 and save to get a baby grand maybe a couple of years down the road?

Hi upbeat, if you go acoustic, I would try to go for a solid mid-range piano rather than a cheaper one. Perhaps a bit higher than the ones you suggested. Such a piano will hold up for a longer period (which makes them cheaper overall if you calculate total cost divided by years of use), and it will give you more pleasure in playing it.

Of course in the best of all worlds you own an acoustic plus a digital...

Re: Question for VPC1 users [Re: upbeat] #2760701
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Hi! Sorry I let this die! I've had a few busy days at work, and didn't really want to get back on the PC when I got home.

Thank you all for your feedback, it's immensely useful.

As to the topic of VPC1 vs Acoustic, nothing would make me happier than being able to purchase a brand new Schimmel. However, right now my budget for an acoustic would be that of a VPC1, so there lies my problem. Here in Argentina, that would get you a used 108 cm Samick, or a century old, beat up german, hopefully comething like a Kawai CE7. This is why I'm unsure of what path to take.

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Hi upbeat! I can relate to your feelings smile

I guess in your case I'd then go for the VPC1 for the time being and wait until circumstances allow you to get a decent acoustic.

Keep in mind that a quality acoustic lives for many many years, whereas digitals get replaced fairly quickly. So in the end the cost of owning an acoustic piano, divided by the years of use, is much closer to the cost of owning digital pianos than most people believe.

Re: Question for VPC1 users [Re: maurus] #2760737
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Originally Posted by maurus
Hi upbeat! I can relate to your feelings smile

I guess in your case I'd then go for the VPC1 for the time being and wait until circumstances allow you to get a decent acoustic.

Keep in mind that a quality acoustic lives for many many years, whereas digitals get replaced fairly quickly. So in the end the cost of owning an acoustic piano, divided by the years of use, is much closer to the cost of owning digital pianos than most people believe.


Some folk get tired of their acoustics and want a change . . . .look over on the piano forum. Some even get tired of their grands. It could be expensive to be tired of the sound of a Steinway.


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Absolutely, Peter.

Re: Question for VPC1 users [Re: peterws] #2760749
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I would dearly like to reach a point at which I tire of my Steinway grand.
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Some even get tired of their grands.
But first I'd have to own one. smile


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