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piano recording #2757432
08/10/18 03:32 PM
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Hello everyone, I would like to ask you a question. Whenever i record myself playing with a laptop/mobile, the recording sounds completely different from what I hear when I play.
In the recording I hear myself less smooth, slower, and every rubato feels exaggerated in comparison to what I hear in reality, but I don't know if it is how other people hear me play. I would like to know if anyone has noticed about the difference of how you think you play, and how you sound in the recording. If it is related to microphone, I would like to get recommendation for good cheap microphone.
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Re: piano recording [Re: blablabla123] #2757470
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bla(x3):

I feel your pain, as they say. Unfortunately, except maybe for sound quality, microphones don't lie when it comes to tempo, rhythms and especially rubato and dynamics. Most of us do not hear what we are playing; we hear what we think we are playing. One of the great skills to develop over time is that of not only listening closely but actually hearing what we play - there's a difference!

One way to test this - not only test, but prove - is to listen and record someone else on the same equipment you use. You'll find that the recording is discouragingly accurate when compared to the live performance in those areas you mention.

Regards,

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Re: piano recording [Re: blablabla123] #2757481
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I recorded myself once about 35 years ago. I was so upset when I heard the recording I vowed to never record myself again. But I did try to listen to myself more closely from that point on.

Re: piano recording [Re: BruceD] #2757504
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Originally Posted by BruceD
bla(x3):

I feel your pain, as they say. Unfortunately, except maybe for sound quality, microphones don't lie when it comes to tempo, rhythms and especially rubato and dynamics. Most of us do not hear what we are playing; we hear what we think we are playing. One of the great skills to develop over time is that of not only listening closely but actually hearing what we play - there's a difference!

One way to test this - not only test, but prove - is to listen and record someone else on the same equipment you use. You'll find that the recording is discouragingly accurate when compared to the live performance in those areas you mention.

Regards,


And it is also true for singing and speaking. The microphones for me (unfortunately) tell the truth. frown


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Originally Posted by BruceD
bla(x3):

I feel your pain, as they say. Unfortunately, except maybe for sound quality, microphones don't lie when it comes to tempo, rhythms and especially rubato and dynamics. Most of us do not hear what we are playing; we hear what we think we are playing. One of the great skills to develop over time is that of not only listening closely but actually hearing what we play - there's a difference!

One way to test this - not only test, but prove - is to listen and record someone else on the same equipment you use. You'll find that the recording is discouragingly accurate when compared to the live performance in those areas you mention.

Regards,


Thank you every one and BruceD, does anybody know how we can develop the skill of listening exactly what we play, and not what we think we play? I was so shocked about my playing when I heard my first few recordings. If i learn to listen to what I play it will help me to improve...

Re: piano recording [Re: blablabla123] #2757618
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All learning comes from feedback.

Your teacher, friends, your ears, and recordings all provide feedback. The more feedback you get, the closer your ear and the recording will converge.

Re: piano recording [Re: blablabla123] #2757744
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Bla, I think your observation is very pertinent, and it is certainly true of me. And it is also true that if you listen to what you are actually playing it will certainly help you to improve. I think one has to try to develop the ability to listen very consciously to what one is playing. Of course, this takes some concentration - and that reduces the concentration one can bring to getting the fingers to the right notes. But even if it is difficult, critical self-listening is very important.

Re: piano recording [Re: blablabla123] #2757775
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Thank you every one and BruceD, does anybody know how we can develop the skill of listening exactly what we play, and not what we think we play? I was so shocked about my playing when I heard my first few recordings. If i learn to listen to what I play it will help me to improve...


I went through the exact same thing. What I heard on recordings was completely different than what I thought I was playing.

I am still not perfect, but what helped a ton was making recording an integral part of my practice. I practice mainly on digital pianos (Kawai Novus, which is a real Kawai grand action) and since I use Pianoteq, I am ALWAYS being recorded whether I like it or not.

Since I am always being recorded, I make it a point of listening far more often than I did before since I do not have to drag out recording equipment and make a big deal of it. It's just always happening in the background.

Over the course of a two hour practice session, I probably listen to recorded snippets of my phrasing fifty to sixty times. If I don't like it, I will continually tweak and re-listen until I get it right. It really helped me figure out where the disconnect was between my brain and my ears.

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