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KAWAI CA 78 Vs YAMAHA CLP645 #2756387
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Hello to Everyone .....
I am NEW to this Forum..So excited to be here...
I am From INDIA....

I am 64 years old starting Piano again after 45 years(i am at Intermidiate level) with my Lovely grandaughter.(she will start her 1st lesson after 2 months)
She is just 4 years & 6 month old...

I already hv Roland DP FP 5...
Own Yamaha Accoustic but now sold it..

So looking for Newer Piano Models with Advance Technology...

I Need Your expert advice for sellecting Right Digital Piano for both of us...
I am open to all your suggestions.
My Choice:-
KAWAI 78 India Price US $ 3600
YAMAHA CLP 645 India Price US $ 2300
This two sellected for wooden Key & Touch...

My Budget is $ US 3500.

If needed i may increase my budge for any other model also...

Most Important requirment is TOUCH & SOUND Should be reasonably Close to Acoustic Piano & it Should be Value for money Piano which we intend to use for comming 8 to 10 years.

Here in India, dealers not able to Provide demo..

So it is difficult to make deccission....
Pls help me with your expert opinion & Suggesition..

Thank you & Regards
Gandhi...


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Re: KAWAI CA 78 Vs YAMAHA CLP645 [Re: Gandhi] #2756397
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Hi Gandhi!

When selecting a piano, it is always best to play it yourself, because whatever anyone else is going to recommend, it will simply be his (or her) own preference, his own opinion.

But since you write that it is not possible for you to test these pianos yourself, I understand that you are actually asking for such personal opinions, so I'll be happy to oblige and give you my opinion.

But one other thing first: The CA78 and the CLP-645 are actually not in the same category (as you can see from the cheaper price of the CLP-645). The better comparison for the CA78 would be the CLP-675, while the CA58 would be more comparable to the CLP-645.

So if we compare the CA78 to the CLP-675, then essentially, no matter which of the two you decide on, they are both fine pianos that will give you satisfaction and fun for years to come.
Actually, although with some compromises, the same applies to the next lower category, i.e. the CA58 vs. CLP-645 pair. Again, both are nice pianos. If your budget can stretch to it, I would pick from the higher category (either the CA78 or CLP-675), but if it doesn't, then either the CA58 or CLP-645 would be fine too.

And my (totally subjective) personal opinion: I would always chose the CA78 over the CLP-675 (and comparably the CA58 over the CLP-645), because I simply like the Kawai digital pianos better than the comparable Yamahas. Especially their touch.

Re: KAWAI CA 78 Vs YAMAHA CLP645 [Re: JoBert] #2756405
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Hi JoBert...

Thank for your reply...

Yes i know they both from different category..But i have included them for wooden Key & fineTouch which i just found from varies Videos from youtube..As i cant take demo in Person.

I Want to know is Price difference of Usd $800 to $1000 between CLP 645 & CA 78 is worth......Ony at time of purchasing CA 78 I may get some reduction(not sure how much) but may be around USD.. 500,

Yamaha Price is alread discounted..
I can easily Buy CA 78 at that Price and i think Kawai much better which i found from youtube videos..
But Price is worth for CA 78....

Regard
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Re: KAWAI CA 78 Vs YAMAHA CLP645 [Re: Gandhi] #2756413
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I have tried both. It is a tough choice, Here is my break down
Key Action:
CA78 has nicer key action if you were to just press each single key, the stroke is very smooth , where as Yamaha clp645 is a little but slushier and heavier, but ca78 has a bounce back in the action that I don't quite think is existent real pianos. Atleast when I played a Yamaha s6 the other day.
If I had to pick what is more real , I would say clp645 by slight margin, because it does not have bounce back, but the feel of the ca78 individual key as how it is made feels more substantial.

Piano Sound:

I personally find the sound on the same level for both, but I prefer CFX by slight margin


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Re: KAWAI CA 78 Vs YAMAHA CLP645 [Re: Jitin] #2756454
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Originally Posted by Jitin


...but ca78 has a bounce back in the action that I don't quite think is existent real pianos. Atleast when I played a Yamaha s6 the other day.
If I had to pick what is more real , I would say clp645 by slight margin, because it does not have bounce back, but the feel of the ca78 individual key as how it is made feels more substantial.




I have the CA78 and two upright acoustics (one German from the 1960's and the other is Kawai 1989). I wouldn't say the bounce back on the CA78 is any more than the Kawai upright. A bit of bounce back is existent and normal as a real piano action has mechanical parts.


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Re: KAWAI CA 78 Vs YAMAHA CLP645 [Re: Jitin] #2756470
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Hi Jitin..
Thanx for clarificationn.

Re: KAWAI CA 78 Vs YAMAHA CLP645 [Re: ArtlessArt] #2756483
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Hi ArtlessArt..
Thank you very much to clear point which was input by Jitin

If bounce back is natural than its realy fine..

Pls Here i want some more input from your side as you own CA 78 also Kawai Acoustic..

How about overall quality of CA 78 compare to Acoustic Piano & other Digital which you might have tested
While buying..

Its worth for USD 3500 quoted here in India & i cant take demo ?

It will be full blind Purchase if i go with CA? So I am confused...


I like CA 78 but What about SOUND & other Fetures ?

Pls share your opinion which will be most helpful to me for selecting CA 78..
Regards
Gandhi

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Re: KAWAI CA 78 Vs YAMAHA CLP645 [Re: Gandhi] #2756545
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Hello, Gandhi!

Basically, the CA78 has the best action you can find in a digital today. For me, the second best is in Rolands (HP603, 605, LX7, 17).
I haven't tried the sound in the new Kawai but I expect it to be quite good from what I heard. The sound in the Rolands is very good in its behavior, but some don't like the timbre, they find it unnatural.
As for Yamaha, the action in the CLP645 is pretty good, I simply don't like it as much. The same goes for the sound.
If I would be looking for a digital at the moment and the budget would allow it, I'd probably go for the CA78. If I'd have to keep it cheaper and I'd only focus on the action, I would probably go for a Roland HP601, or a Kawai CA48, but these will have several downsides compared to the CA78. The Yamaha probably wouldn't be on my shortlist.
So, to sum it up, if you can afford it, the CA78 is probably the best "whole-package" (action, speakers, sound engine) you could get while still not spending top dollar.

Re: KAWAI CA 78 Vs YAMAHA CLP645 [Re: Gandhi] #2756551
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Hi Gandhi, I personally own a CA 67 and I had the occasion to test for a couple of minutes the CA78.
And from what I felt, the difference in Sound quality is tiny.
In other words, if you are familiar with the sound of an acoustic, you will be disappointed with the build in sounds, whatever Marketing will try to make you believe.
Yes, the key action is nice, quick, repetition easy, and similar to a grand ( pianissimo are difficult to play though: You expect a sound after having gently pressed the key,and sometimes, nothing comes....)
Sound wise, I m now running my CA 67 with pianoteq, just to retrieve “living “music and to avoid
EX or SK bla bla bla sounds......( absolutely nothing comparable to a real one !!)

And I m now happy with that configuration.


Last edited by rolex67; 08/07/18 04:56 PM.
Re: KAWAI CA 78 Vs YAMAHA CLP645 [Re: Gandhi] #2756626
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Hello Gandhi, welcome to the forum.

I don't have a great deal more to add beyond the points regarding competing models and pricing raised by JoBert, and keyboard action realism mentioned by other contributors.

However, regarding sound quality and features, it's perhaps worth pointing out that the latest Kawai CA98/CA78 models utilise a new, multi-channel piano sound engine, and premium audio processing and audio hardware developed in collaboration with Onkyo. In term of features, I believe Kawai have always offered an excellent range of additional digital features, and the latest CA98/CA78 are no exception, with a touchscreen display, USB audio recording and playback, and hundreds of built-in lesson songs.

For more information about the Kawai CAx8 models, please visit the website below:

http://kawai-global.com/ca-series/

If you have any specific queries regarding these instruments, please feel free to ask.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Re: KAWAI CA 78 Vs YAMAHA CLP645 [Re: mcoll] #2756637
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Originally Posted by mcoll
Hello, Gandhi!

Basically, the CA78 has the best action you can find in a digital today. For me, the second best is in Rolands (HP603, 605, LX7, 17).
I haven't tried the sound in the new Kawai but I expect it to be quite good from what I heard. The sound in the Rolands is very good in its behavior, but some don't like the timbre, they find it unnatural.
As for Yamaha, the action in the CLP645 is pretty good, I simply don't like it as much. The same goes for the sound.
If I would be looking for a digital at the moment and the budget would allow it, I'd probably go for the CA78. If I'd have to keep it cheaper and I'd only focus on the action, I would probably go for a Roland HP601, or a Kawai CA48, but these will have several downsides compared to the CA78. The Yamaha probably wouldn't be on my shortlist.
So, to sum it up, if you can afford it, the CA78 is probably the best "whole-package" (action, speakers, sound engine) you could get while still not spending top dollar.

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Hi Mcoll...

Thank you so much for detail explanation.

Its realy very helpful..

Regards
Gandhi

Re: KAWAI CA 78 Vs YAMAHA CLP645 [Re: mcoll] #2756642
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Originally Posted by mcoll
Hello, Gandhi!

Basically, the CA78 has the best action you can find in a digital today. For me, the second best is in Rolands (HP603, 605, LX7, 17).
I haven't tried the sound in the new Kawai but I expect it to be quite good from what I heard. The sound in the Rolands is very good in its behavior, but some don't like the timbre, they find it unnatural.
As for Yamaha, the action in the CLP645 is pretty good, I simply don't like it as much. The same goes for the sound.
If I would be looking for a digital at the moment and the budget would allow it, I'd probably go for the CA78. If I'd have to keep it cheaper and I'd only focus on the action, I would probably go for a Roland HP601, or a Kawai CA48, but these will have several downsides compared to the CA78. The Yamaha probably wouldn't be on my shortlist.
So, to sum it up, if you can afford it, the CA78 is probably the best "whole-package" (action, speakers, sound engine) you could get while still not spending top dollar.

Re: KAWAI CA 78 Vs YAMAHA CLP645 [Re: rolex67] #2756656
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Originally Posted by rolex67
Hi Gandhi, I personally own a CA 67 and I had the occasion to test for a couple of minutes the CA78.
And from what I felt, the difference in Sound quality is tiny.
In other words, if you are familiar with the sound of an acoustic, you will be disappointed with the build in sounds, whatever Marketing will try to make you believe.
Yes, the key action is nice, quick, repetition easy, and similar to a grand ( pianissimo are difficult to play though: You expect a sound after having gently pressed the key,and sometimes, nothing comes....)
Sound wise, I m now running my CA 67 with pianoteq, just to retrieve “living “music and to avoid
EX or SK bla bla bla sounds......( absolutely nothing comparable to a real one !!)

And I m now happy with that configuration.


Thank you for your detail explanation...

Re: KAWAI CA 78 Vs YAMAHA CLP645 [Re: Kawai James] #2756658
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Gandhi, welcome to the forum.

I don't have a great deal more to add beyond the points regarding competing models and pricing raised by JoBert, and keyboard action realism mentioned by other contributors.

However, regarding sound quality and features, it's perhaps worth pointing out that the latest Kawai CA98/CA78 models utilise a new, multi-channel piano sound engine, and premium audio processing and audio hardware developed in collaboration with Onkyo. In term of features, I believe Kawai have always offered an excellent range of additional digital features, and the latest CA98/CA78 are no exception, with a touchscreen display, USB audio recording and playback, and hundreds of built-in lesson songs.

For more information about the Kawai CAx8 models, please visit the website below:

http://kawai-global.com/ca-series/

If you have any specific queries regarding these instruments, please feel free to ask.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James

Hi Dear Kawai James
Thank you for your input...Actualy i was waiting for your reply & YES it is most important to me as you are from KAWAI...
I already went through almost all Your Post related to CA Series Specialy CA 78 & CA 98 before Starting this Thread.
I Always found all your Post MOST IMPORTANT & Useful so i am happy with your Presence here & guidence....

Re: KAWAI CA 78 Vs YAMAHA CLP645 [Re: Gandhi] #2756676
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Thank you very for your kind words Gandhi, I'm happy to be of assistance.

Kind regards,
James
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Hi...
Actualy now i am Planning to buy Kawai CA 78....

But i don't find any Useful review By Owner or User of CA 78...

Anyone who own or have Played CA 78 Pls share your thoughts & what you feel about this Piano because it will help me to take right decisson...

Thank you....
Gandhi

Re: KAWAI CA 78 Vs YAMAHA CLP645 [Re: Gandhi] #2756985
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It's a tough choice. For me: Better keys: Kawai. Better sound: Yamaha. I had a real hard time to find the instrument I enjoy the most. As others already said: Just try to find the models you want and test them. It's hard to give an advice for this kind of subjective things.


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Originally Posted by Tyr
It's a tough choice. For me: Better keys: Kawai. Better sound: Yamaha. I had a real hard time to find the instrument I enjoy the most. As others already said: Just try to find the models you want and test them. It's hard to give an advice for this kind of subjective things.

Thank you for you input..I Think Kawai CA 78 is much better than Yamaha according to most here on this forum But more Expensiv also..I May go with Kawai ..Gandhi

Re: KAWAI CA 78 Vs YAMAHA CLP645 [Re: Gandhi] #2757396
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Hi....
Well i have already ordered KAWAI 78....

I took very fast decission because there was no option left for me as Distributor of Kawai told me to comfirm order within 24 hours than only it will possible for them to include My CA 78 in Shipment which Will start from Japan on 20th Aug so there is no time left..
According to Distributor If i opt for next shipment which will be in October than i will receive my Piano in End of November which is 3 month waiting Period which i wanted to avoid...
so i place order immedietly..

Now i will receive Piano 1st Week of September.

Well it was very difficult decission for me to decide so fast & without Personal demo,

But in the end everything is fine now(hopefully)....

SO I would like to THANK you all
Dear JoBert Jitin ArtlessArt Mcoll Tyr rolex67 & Kawai James..
This became possible only because of guidence & advice i received from this forum & yes videos on youtube..

Regards
Gandhi



































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