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Higher escapement friction the better? #2757236
08/09/18 10:03 PM
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Yesterday I visit a the leading instrument shop, who's also the dealer of Steinway, play around this high price schimmel, the escapement friction is so high not easy to play legato, for a below average player like me. I suppose a Steinway dealer should know the needs of musician and how to align the jack to minimise friction. Is some performing skill need this high friction?


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Re: Higher escapement friction the better? [Re: Weiyan] #2757265
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Originally Posted by Weiyan
Yesterday I visit a the leading instrument shop, who's also the dealer of Steinway, play around this high price schimmel, the escapement friction is so high not easy to play legato, for a below average player like me. I suppose a Steinway dealer should know the needs of musician and how to align the jack to minimise friction. Is some performing skill need this high friction?

thanks for your video, Weiyan
It's very high friction for a jack or a let off no was made need standard placing and its regulation. Why?

Re: Higher escapement friction the better? [Re: Weiyan] #2757280
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Friction should be minimal.
But what you are testing in the video is not friction but more let-off distance? How can we see the amount of friction from your video? I think what you are doing in the video can be done on any piano.


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Re: Higher escapement friction the better? [Re: wouter79] #2757309
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Originally Posted by wouter79
Friction should be minimal.
But what you are testing in the video is not friction but more let-off distance? How can we see the amount of friction from your video? I think what you are doing in the video can be done on any piano.


When press the key lightly, it seems to the bottom, further press, the key hits bottom with a click sound. If look at the hammer, it stop in a distance from the string, press the key further, it bounce to the string. This may lead to illusion of wide let-off. Its seems not possible to test let-off for the high friction.

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J.S.Bach Prelude in C Min: No. 2 from Six Preludes fur Anfanger auf dem
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60s Swing No. 1 from Swinging Rhythms
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Re: Higher escapement friction the better? [Re: Weiyan] #2758199
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High friction at let off contributes to poor control at soft volume, and a heavy feel to the keys. Let off friction should be minimal.




Re: Higher escapement friction the better? [Re: Weiyan] #2758303
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Hard to tell for sure from this brief and limited clip but it appears the aftertouch (key travel following letoff) is too deep and has not been regulated to where it could provide a superior touch.

Notwithstanding the need to accommodate changing environmental factors between the showroom to the buyer's locale, it's surprising that many of higher-end piano dealers don't bother regulating their inventory for more of a concert touch.

FWIW, we've got a Schimmel K256 at home and after careful regulation the action is superb - nothing like what's evident in this video clip. Among a host of contributing factors, the friction is very low (not high) and, having carefully tweaked the front tail punchings, there is minimal aftertouch. You can play ppp from the point of letoff.

I'll certainly defer to the tech pros here, but I would say, no, beyond a (minimal) level required for proper function, higher friction is never better than less.


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