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How often does time to buy new digital piano come? #2755544
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Acoustic piano can be with you through you entire life, if you buy the right one. But what with digitals? How long will you be satisfied with your DP until time when you think "Gosh, it's so obsolete... I have to buy a new one, modern, with better processor and sound etc." comes?


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Re: How often does time to buy new digital piano come? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2755546
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I've never thought that about any of my digitals. I change usually when the warranty ends, or when I find something that sounds as good or nicer than what I have. Nothing has sounded better than my old CLP820S, but that was too heavy to gig with.
Some pianos may have a shorter life than others and are perhaps prone to failures after a time; I don't know. The older clavinovas seem to be still with us.
It may be that your music will improve such that a better model will express it more fully. You'll know when that time arrives.

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For me it’s about two years, but sometimes it’s been as little as ten months!

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For me it is When it starts to fail and the repair cost is more than half of the piano price. Or when my piano can't "satisfy" my finger anymore ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


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15 years - but this one has a 10 year warranty so maybe I may do it a bit sooner! Or get a transacoustic if they are up to it.


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Somewhat related - "Anyone still own a digital piano more than 5 years old?"

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...digital-piano-more-than-5-years-old.html

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15 years minimum. Otherwise, it would be a bad buy, imo. But 30 years is a reasonable target, I suppose, so long as there isn't serious structural weakness in the action which would cause frequent failures after 10 years or so. This is provided you're using a computer and external equipment to keep up with technology.

The only regret I have about mine is that it has 2 sensors, not three, and so does not imitate the double escapement system of grand pianos. But this is a minor detail that hardly affects playing or recording in all but a tiny handful of pieces/cases - not worth worrying about.

So long as the action and pedals are good and provide scope for dynamic expression equivalent to a well set up acoustic grand, why would you want to change it?


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Looking the replies, it may be 10 months to 15 years. That is: it depends almost entirely on the reason that lead us to buy the previous DP.

For someone that only wants to play with the piano sound and had buy a good cabinet model, it’s almost impossible to think that this DP could become obsolete. It’s almost as an acoustic piano. We may want to replace it if it has high maintenance costs or if we find another DP with a much better action. This may last 10 years or more.

But if we buy a DP because of some specific sounds or features, then every year there is a new model that is a “must buy”. Also, there are people that like “fresh” products or only items within warranty period. But the DP does not become obsolete objectively.

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If you buy a great digital piano and stop reading this forum, you might keep it a long time.

If you keep reading this forum, people will point out how all those newer models are much more realistic in every aspect and you'll develop the Gear Acquisition Syndrome.

But luckily it will make you postpone your gear update as there will always be hypothetical newer and even better models waiting just around the corner.

The Kawai ES9, the ES10, the ES11 etc.

The Roland FP100, FP110, FP120 etc.

So, you'll want to update but you can't. It will save you money, but you'll be unhappy with your current piano and you'll spend too much time on this forum instead of practising piano and living a little.

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That's actually a very good question and so are the answers!

In my case, 3 years after I good a "furniture" style dp, I moved and I considered upgrading it to avoid disassembling it and carrying it to the new place. I would've also gotten the next generation of the action that I had (PHA50 vs PHA4-premium). In the end, the improvement in action was minor and I decided it wasn't worth paying almost 400e for the minor upgrade, so I moved the piano and upgraded the studio monitors with that money (I only use VSTs, not the internal sounds of the piano).

And yes, reading this forum doesn't help and actually practicing instead would be better use of one's time ha
The piano you get doesn't get worse, and usually they're very durable, but upgraditis (or GAS) is definitely a consequence of marketing and forum reading.

Conclusion - if you get a good action and you use external sounds, there's no real reason to change the piano till it breaks and is too expensive to repair. Of course, wanting to change it is another matter.. Tough times we're living in.

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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
Acoustic piano can be with you through you entire life, if you buy the right one.

Well, you start with a small upright and ten years later you end up with a collection of grand pianos scattered through the house. G.A.S. isn't limited to guitars. wink

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But what with digitals? How long will you be satisfied with your DP until time when you think "Gosh, it's so obsolete... I have to buy a new one, modern, with better processor and sound etc." comes?

With computers and MIDI capable smart devices, the need for new sounds can be satisfied immediately. When I got my Kawai ES100 I estimated 2-3 years of use just as for a similarly priced computer or phone. Now I completed year 4. There is not a single need to buy the successor ES110, as the action ist still just as good as it has been when I bought it.

While manufacturers still add new buzz (like Bluetooth MIDI and touchscreens), as a pianist I wouldn't "upgrade" for these features. I only consider going for a DP with a wooden action and better speakers in the foreseeable future to reward myself for consistent practice.

That is what you will see mostly with digitals: People stepping up through the price range, after they figured out their personal priorities. Like someone upgrading from a compact to a sedan to a van. At some point you reach the end with a Novus NV-10 and from there it's only grands. laugh


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I use VST pianos, which are far better than the native sounds of any digital piano.
So there's no point in replacing the piano for improved sound.
So I'll keep my it until the keyboard fails.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I use VST pianos, which are far better than the native sounds of any digital piano. So there's no point in replacing the piano for improved sound. So I'll keep my it until the keyboard fails.

Same here. After I realized that each Pianoteq model makes my FP30 feel like a different keyboard, I can’t imagine giving it up until it fails it works too well. That doesn’t mean that I still won’t get G.A.S. and make an impulse purchase! But it won’t be because I need to upgrade/replace the FP30, it will be in addition to it.

Acoustic pianos are funny too, I re-started playing with an old broke-down Hardman-Peck console, and then acquired a nice 2nd-hand Kawai UST-9 upright. Now I’m considering a lightly used Steinway or Yamaha Grand which someone is selling for good prices. And not because there’s anything obsolete about any of my pianos or keyboards, it’s just G.A.S. for a some damn fine piano,


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I use VST pianos, which are far better than the native sounds of any digital piano.
So there's no point in replacing the piano for improved sound.
So I'll keep my it until the keyboard fails.


And me. These have all the nuances I can handle, or indeed, stomach. By comparison, an acoustic grand would have too many . . . . nor could I reduce it's volume. Not good; consequently I've never wanted a grand.


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I use VST pianos, which are far better than the native sounds of any digital piano.


I should think of VST, if so. But why VST are better?


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I bought my first digital piano in the late eighties (a Roland). I played that for well over a decade until my piano playing petered out around 2000-2003. It was then sitting around more or less unused for another decade until I threw it out in 2014 when we converted the room it was in and I realized that the volume slider had become faulty and one or two keys didn't sound anymore.
Then in late 2015 when I rediscovered the piano I did a quick succession through the tiers, just like JoeT wrote: The Yamaha P-115 lasted only three months before I replaced it with a Kawai CA97. Which lasted 2 years and one month before it got replaced with my current NV10. I fully expect to keep this one for a long time, as the action is as good as it can get in a digital (and even most acoustics) and I also like the sound a lot, but if that should change in the future, I can always update the sound with a VSTi.

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If you think of a digital piano as an electronic gadget like your smart phone, you'll always be looking out for the latest and newest, and will never be satisfied, and always keep your eye on this forum for any announcement of the Next Big Thing, which fuels another bout of GAS which must be satisfied by spending more $$$$$ (and losing $$$$ on getting rid of your obsolete Model XXX), until of course the next announcement of the NBT. That's all good of course - after all, we need to keep the manufacturers in business. How can they manage to survive without our GAS? grin

On the other hand, if you think of a digital piano as a piano (as in the musical instrument that you play to satisfy your musical and artistic needs), and have bought the one that you're happy with, you'll never feel the need to "upgrade" and never be afflicted with GAS, no matter if Model XXX Mk.II Series 2a comes along with more flashing lights and more funny sounds. And you'll keep it for the rest of its natural life (and your own natural life, of course......) and live happily ever after........ thumb


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Ooh flashing lights!! Where can I get them? smile


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Originally Posted by Lillith
Ooh flashing lights!! Where can I get them? smile

Mine (an obsolete model, like The Terminator Model Arnie) didn't come with them, so I just decorated it with old Christmas lights (which I bought for £1 on eBay) to get my flashing fix.

Flashing lights, like dogs, are not just for Christmas. (Only 144 days to Christmas wink ).


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Originally Posted by Lillith
Ooh flashing lights!! Where can I get them? smile

My piano has blinkers so that I can safely make a U-turn when I reach those repeat-symbols in the score. I just have to remember to top up the blinker fluid every now and then... cool

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My keyboard didn't have enough flashing lights, so I wrote a MAX program which watches what I play and adds some light effects on an iPad. Saved me the cost of buying a new keyboard. However, I am now upgrading by buying some DMX lighting and adding more MAX code. Will this satisfy my GAS for flashing lights? Hope so. I now have so many lasers and washes and derbies and strobes that it is getting hard to see the keyboard.


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That is a very interesting topic. I looked at my purchases over the years. I remember long time time ago bought some electric organ that had a very poor polyphony so that stayed only couple of months. Same time I had a Yamaha CVP 201 that at some point developed a fault. I thought it would go. Even though it was not under warranty It turned out to be some manufacturers fault so had the keybed replaced free of charge by Yamaha, and that instrument has stayed with me for over ten years and it still gets used.
Then it got a CVP 409, which I use the most. I had it for 7-8 years and still think it works beautifully. Most recently I added Roland RD 800, different action than Yamaha, great for headphones practice.
Some would say every year companies come up with something new, so you need to keep upgrading. I found quality DPs that are 10 years or even older still offer very strong performance. Sometimes you just get attached to your instrument and don’t simply want to let it go.

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My Privia has flashing lights that flash in the rhytm of the metronome when it's on.

It has some bells and whistles too -- in the General MIDI sound set.

But it was the flagship model back in its days. So no wonder. laugh

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Wait, it actually has bells and whistles?
Are these sampled or modeled?

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I'm still enjoying my Casio AP-45 Celviano after ten years. Keyboard/action has no problems and I prefer the sound engine to more recent updates. I practice early mornings for an hour and a half with headphones and it plays like new.


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Originally Posted by Pete14
Wait, it actually has bells and whistles?
Are these sampled or modeled?


Well the ones on my Roland are modelled.
And I only use the official Roland Go Faster Stripes - the ones off eBay come off in the rain smile


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They are sampled of course and at least "Tubular Bells" (Yay! But no "Hergest Ridge" or "Ommadawn"...) are included and the whistle from the X-Files theme.

And of course "Tinkle Bell", "Ride Bell" and the obligatory "Cowbell" that significantly improves any piece of music. And the drum set has a "Short Whistle" and a "Long Whistle", so the options are virtually unlimited.

It was actually ahead of its time as it has the control panel on the left side of the keyboard. Only recently have other brands like Kawai and Yamaha followed up. Roland is still stuck in the past.

Pretty advanced stuff. But like said, it was the flagship model.

They don't make them like they did anymore!

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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
They are sampled of course and at least "Tubular Bells" (Yay! But no "Hergest Ridge" or "Ommadawn"...) are included and the whistle from the X-Files theme.

And of course "Tinkle Bell", "Ride Bell" and the obligatory "Cowbell" that significantly improves any piece of music. And the drum set has a "Short Whistle" and a "Long Whistle", so the options are virtually unlimited.

It was actually ahead of its time as it has the control panel on the left side of the keyboard. Only recently have other brands like Kawai and Yamaha followed up. Roland is still stuck in the past.

Pretty advanced stuff. But like said, it was the flagship model.

They don't make them like they did anymore!



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Actually, there's a 'whistle' that digital piano manufacturers could easily incorporate, but I've never seen it done. Yet great composers have written for it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du6M96E8KyE (especially the movement Joie du Sang des Étoiles starting at 32:00 - just listen to those glorious swoops grin)

This is the instrument:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yidV0HeVyCg

Does it remind you of horror movies?


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