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Re: How often does time to buy new digital piano come? [Re: Lillith] #2755729
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Originally Posted by Lillith
Ooh flashing lights!! Where can I get them? smile

My piano has blinkers so that I can safely make a U-turn when I reach those repeat-symbols in the score. I just have to remember to top up the blinker fluid every now and then... cool

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Re: How often does time to buy new digital piano come? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2755745
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My keyboard didn't have enough flashing lights, so I wrote a MAX program which watches what I play and adds some light effects on an iPad. Saved me the cost of buying a new keyboard. However, I am now upgrading by buying some DMX lighting and adding more MAX code. Will this satisfy my GAS for flashing lights? Hope so. I now have so many lasers and washes and derbies and strobes that it is getting hard to see the keyboard.


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Re: How often does time to buy new digital piano come? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2755812
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That is a very interesting topic. I looked at my purchases over the years. I remember long time time ago bought some electric organ that had a very poor polyphony so that stayed only couple of months. Same time I had a Yamaha CVP 201 that at some point developed a fault. I thought it would go. Even though it was not under warranty It turned out to be some manufacturers fault so had the keybed replaced free of charge by Yamaha, and that instrument has stayed with me for over ten years and it still gets used.
Then it got a CVP 409, which I use the most. I had it for 7-8 years and still think it works beautifully. Most recently I added Roland RD 800, different action than Yamaha, great for headphones practice.
Some would say every year companies come up with something new, so you need to keep upgrading. I found quality DPs that are 10 years or even older still offer very strong performance. Sometimes you just get attached to your instrument and don’t simply want to let it go.

Re: How often does time to buy new digital piano come? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2755813
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My Privia has flashing lights that flash in the rhytm of the metronome when it's on.

It has some bells and whistles too -- in the General MIDI sound set.

But it was the flagship model back in its days. So no wonder. laugh

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Re: How often does time to buy new digital piano come? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2755817
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Wait, it actually has bells and whistles?
Are these sampled or modeled?

Re: How often does time to buy new digital piano come? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2755824
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I'm still enjoying my Casio AP-45 Celviano after ten years. Keyboard/action has no problems and I prefer the sound engine to more recent updates. I practice early mornings for an hour and a half with headphones and it plays like new.


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Re: How often does time to buy new digital piano come? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2755827
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Originally Posted by Pete14
Wait, it actually has bells and whistles?
Are these sampled or modeled?


Well the ones on my Roland are modelled.
And I only use the official Roland Go Faster Stripes - the ones off eBay come off in the rain smile


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Re: How often does time to buy new digital piano come? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2755837
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They are sampled of course and at least "Tubular Bells" (Yay! But no "Hergest Ridge" or "Ommadawn"...) are included and the whistle from the X-Files theme.

And of course "Tinkle Bell", "Ride Bell" and the obligatory "Cowbell" that significantly improves any piece of music. And the drum set has a "Short Whistle" and a "Long Whistle", so the options are virtually unlimited.

It was actually ahead of its time as it has the control panel on the left side of the keyboard. Only recently have other brands like Kawai and Yamaha followed up. Roland is still stuck in the past.

Pretty advanced stuff. But like said, it was the flagship model.

They don't make them like they did anymore!

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Re: How often does time to buy new digital piano come? [Re: clothearednincompo] #2755855
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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
They are sampled of course and at least "Tubular Bells" (Yay! But no "Hergest Ridge" or "Ommadawn"...) are included and the whistle from the X-Files theme.

And of course "Tinkle Bell", "Ride Bell" and the obligatory "Cowbell" that significantly improves any piece of music. And the drum set has a "Short Whistle" and a "Long Whistle", so the options are virtually unlimited.

It was actually ahead of its time as it has the control panel on the left side of the keyboard. Only recently have other brands like Kawai and Yamaha followed up. Roland is still stuck in the past.

Pretty advanced stuff. But like said, it was the flagship model.

They don't make them like they did anymore!



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Re: How often does time to buy new digital piano come? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2755865
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Actually, there's a 'whistle' that digital piano manufacturers could easily incorporate, but I've never seen it done. Yet great composers have written for it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du6M96E8KyE (especially the movement Joie du Sang des Étoiles starting at 32:00 - just listen to those glorious swoops grin)

This is the instrument:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yidV0HeVyCg

Does it remind you of horror movies?


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Re: How often does time to buy new digital piano come? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2755882
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A few factors to consider: if you are using your keyboard for just the piano sound and you are satisfied with it, the instrument can stay around for a while. Some students started off with keyboard that doesn't have 88 or 76 keys at some point they get to more advanced repertoire they need to get keyboards with 88 keys. Once you have an 88, the number of keys doesn't change. The later models would give you better sound, more bells & whistles. Don't usually like to put a time limit that you must upgrade an 88 keyboard to another that has 88 and only use it for the piano sound. When it comes to buying a new smartphone, you normally consider the features the new phone has that the old one doesn't and do you really need them.

Electronics don't last forever. Sometimes keyboards breakdown for various reasons and it'd be cheaper to buy a new one than to get the old one repaired. Some unfortunate situations you have pianos becoming another piece of furniture. Kids take piano lessons when they are younger but after the lessons are done they no longer play. And some homes have keyboards that face the same situation. After a few years the kids get bored with music or they don't progress. The keyboards just sit as a piece of furniture. Would be better to pass it along to the other parents who are eager to get their kids into music lessons.

Re: How often does time to buy new digital piano come? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2756065
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I expect to keep my VPC1 for 10 years+, since sound is handled by VSTi.
Well, we will see whether it lasts that long. laugh


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Re: How often does time to buy new digital piano come? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2756088
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What if a VPC2 comes out soon, would you not be tempted?

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What would a VPC2 do that the existing VPC does not?
After all, this piano is meant to be ONLY a keyboard.
So I guess the only "upgrade" I'd want in v2 would be Kawai's best action.

But ... you did, after all, aim that question at Granyala.
So I should end here and look for his reply.

Re: How often does time to buy new digital piano come? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2756107
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It still have a Clavinova CLP150 from 2003... but use it with virtual pianos, then its obsolete sound generator doesn’t matter.

My next piano will be a AvantGrand N1X if Yamaha replace its N1.

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Re: How often does time to buy new digital piano come? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2756136
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I have had my Clavinova CLP 575 four years. The piano store owner said 10 years is the life expectancy. I also have an acoustic. As long as it works well I will keep it. I purchased this to play and use head phones so my husband does not have to listen to me all the time. There will always be better updates with cars, computers, digital pianos, etc... you can spend a fortune trying to keep up. Until the piano no longer serves your needs or does not work well, I would keep it.


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Originally Posted by DFSRN
I have had my Clavinova CLP 575 four years. The piano store owner said 10 years is the life expectancy. I also have an acoustic. As long as it works well I will keep it. I purchased this to play and use head phones so my husband does not have to listen to me all the time. There will always be better updates with cars, computers, digital pianos, etc... you can spend a fortune trying to keep up. Until the piano no longer serves your needs or does not work well, I would keep it.


There are so many older Clavinovas for sale out there that are 20-something years old, I'd say 10 years is a very conservative estimate. Other than the occasional sensor/felt/grease maintenance, my bet is that your 575 will still be totally functional long after it has become completely obsolete and unwanted. But maybe that's what your store meant...


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Other than the occasional sensor/felt/grease maintenance, my bet is that your 575 will still be totally functional long after it has become completely obsolete and unwanted.


It probably will last a lot more than ten years, I agree. But it might never become obsolete or unwanted either. As a practice instrument, a student piano or a controller for state of the art virtual pianos, it could go on almost for ever. Only a nincompoop or a person fixated on egg whisks would ever consider changing his egg whisk unless it falls apart. Sensible people stick with the one they were given on their wedding day. I don't see why it shouldn't be a similar attitude with digital pianos, unless you really genuinely have out classed it in terms of your performance capabilities.

The equivalent to becoming a top chef specialising in soufflé in the world of egg whisks.


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Re: How often does time to buy new digital piano come? [Re: toddy] #2756181
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Todd, I will keep that digital as long as possible. Having both the YUS 5 and the digital, there is no comparison to practicing on an acoustic piano. Having the digital and then taking lessons on an acoustic at the school I felt the difference between my practice and performing on the school's piano. I decided to get the YUS 5 in 2015. My teacher said it is good to learn to play on different pianos, so he rotates the rooms the lesson is in. However, all the schools pianos are acoustic. One good thing about the digital it is always in tune.


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