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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand
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Great sound with the demo links. Problem is of course speculation on You-Tube "sound" and what equipment he's using... I would imagine it would sound better once in our own hands. Also interesting was the mics "on" but the sliders down or nearly down; I've seen that w/the C7 but didn't make much sense, now it does... although after trying it I wouldn't say it adds a lot.

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Concert Grand Gold is a premium 299 GB, 9 microphone piano sample library sampled from a Steinway D New York 9' Concert Grand Piano built for the full version of Kontakt 5.7 and above (not for Kontakt Player).

If you listen to classical or jazz piano recordings, chances are that is a Steinway D, the iconic king of the concert stage. For decades, performers have requested the warmth and grandeur of the Steinway sound. It is in heavy contrast to bright pop production pianos found in many recording studios. It’s elegant and refined. Every engineer has a slightly different way of recording such a large instrument and every player wants to hear a different aspect of the sound. This is why Concert Grand’s 9 microphone control is so important. You can dial in a variety of tones with microphone placements that are time-tested by audio engineers. Concert Grand let’s you take control of your sound unlike any piano library before it. The ambisonics channel is a leap forward in sample library flexibility. Be warned! Concert Grand captures all this Steinway has to offer including its thumps and bumps and louder than most mechanical noises. We didn’t strip away the imperfections, but let them contribute to the authentic piano sound.

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How much of a difference in sound is there via the 16 bit vs 24 bit versions if your DAW is set to 24 bit anyway ?

Anyone know the bit-depth of Garritan CFX Concert Grand samples?

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Originally Posted by -Jay-
How much of a difference in sound is there via the 16 bit vs 24 bit versions if your DAW is set to 24 bit anyway?

Anyone know the bit-depth of Garritan CFX Concert Grand samples?


Sound and the can of worms----- sound is subjective to the person, as many would say. I prefer 96/24; but for notable sound differences, it could vary with systems/speakers, etc.

Not sure about the bit version w/CFX.

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Originally Posted by -Jay-
How much of a difference in sound is there via the 16 bit vs 24 bit versions if your DAW is set to 24 bit anyway?

Anyone know the bit-depth of Garritan CFX Concert Grand samples?


Sound and the can of worms----- sound is subjective to the person, as many would say. I prefer 96/24; but for notable sound differences, it could vary with systems/speakers, etc.

Not sure about the bit version w/CFX.

I think that CFX samples are 16 bit 44.1khz

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Originally Posted by bsntn99
The samples are 16/44 for the CFX.


http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...an-cfx-sample-frequency.html#Post2710075

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Originally Posted by -Jay-
How much of a difference in sound is there via the 16 bit vs 24 bit versions if your DAW is set to 24 bit anyway ?


From a practical perspective, your amps, speakers, headphones and ears will see zero difference between 16 and 24 bit.

24 bit files are huge so require bigger SSDs. But for music producers, 24 bit provides some technical advantages.

As Cinjero notes, higher sample rates can provide benefits; some DAC and output stages "reproduce" sound more "correctly" using sample rates of say 48 or 96KHz.

PianoTeq is a different beast than sampled pianos; the Pro version "synthesizes sounds" more effectively at 192KHz vs the typical 48KHz of cheaper versions (there is a thread on the PianoTeq site with some files you can compare a few notes). That is different than sound reproduction in the previous paragraph.

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Now, 550GB SSDs only need to go down to $50, and this VSTi might become an option. cool


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Now, 550GB SSDs only need to go down to $50, and this VSTi might become an option. cool


Cool. My only concern is this piano seems to be even more rich than the C7 ---- so what DAW/Kontakt issues will arise? Adding reverb or other plug-ins seem to randomly cause issues (cracking, etc) with PG2. Kontakt alone is pretty solid (just the piano).

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Meant to say 500GB, the typing error devil crept in on me. I know Crucial MX300 is 525GB, but I don't think there are any 550GB SSDs.

I haven't tried my PG2 Gold with any external reverbs or plug-ins, but it's a sin if it causes crackles. I've felt I'm giving my CPU enough work with four or five microphone pairs on, so I've not been taxing my system with anything more on top, not that I recall at least.

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Concert Grand Release Date: August 7th
Many Production Voices users have been asking what’s going on with Concert Grand, our soon to be released 9-mic Steinway D piano sample library for Kontakt 5.7 and higher.

We’ve gone through beta testing and have had great responses with users raving about Concert Grand’s sound and playability! This makes the nearly three years of work worthwhile! Check out the audio demos below to hear what Concert Grand can do.

I have been working hard at putting the finishing touches on it and making sure that this massive piano sample library can be downloaded without any trouble.

Some PC beta testers had issues getting our downloader to work and we had some website issues with codes not being delivered properly, but we’ve worked these out and I’m happy to say that will be ready to launch Concert Grand on August 7th.

Audio Demos Available Now
I’d love if you would check out the demos on Soundcloud:

https://soundcloud.com/productionvoices/sets/conce...

Concert Grand Features:
9 microphone perspectives
Ambisonic 3D sound control
Binaural player mic position
24 bit 96k source samples
Round-robin pedal noise samples with normal and loud settings
Sampled key up mechanical noises from the actual keyboard action
Sympathetic Resonance with on/off and volume controls
Burl Mothership boutique-quality A/D converters used
20+ velocities pedal up per key
20+ velocities pedal down per key
16 velocities release samples
Advanced half-pedal control with catch
Custom installer to automate the installation process


Stay tuned for videos, intro pricing and Concert Grand Compact upgrade pricing!


Kind regards,

Jason Chapman

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Production Voices

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Hi Jason:) The soundcloud link you provided is broken. I think you cut some words from the link while pasting it.

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Originally Posted by tdwctdwc


Hi Jason:) The soundcloud link you provided is broken. I think you cut some words from the link while pasting it.


Yeah, Jason probably didn't get that but I guess the link didn't paste over correctly. rach3master provided the correct one.

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I don't think Cinjero is Jason, is he?

If not, it would perhaps have been better to enclose Jason's message using the quote function of the forum, to make this point clear.

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I don't think Cinjero is Jason, is he?

If not, it would perhaps have been better to enclose Jason's message using the quote function of the forum, to make this point clear.

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No he is not. Laugh,

That post was just a copy I took from an email I got (being a Production Grand owner). Just passing on the update/info.

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Yes, that's what I thought - thanks for clarifying. wink

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Hi Jason:) The soundcloud link you provided is broken. I think you cut some words from the link while pasting it.


Yeah, Jason probably didn't get that but I guess the link didn't paste over correctly. rach3master provided the correct one.

Probably didn't get that? Trying to be funny? Next time please put a quote on your message so we know it was not Jason or just write " i got an email/update from PV saying..." .

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"He's a direct link with some apparently updated information."

https://www.productionvoices.com/product/concert-grand-gold/

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I don't think it's reasonable to be bothered by the criticism, Cinjero. That's what your quotation marks would suggest.
In all fairness, your post at the top of the page is signed with "lead designer...". That's misleading. Just something worth keeping in mind smile

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