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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand
Max_Forte #2751479 07/14/18 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Max_Forte
Audio demos. Sounds much better than on early videos.

Playlist on Sound Cloud:

https://soundcloud.com/productionvoices/sets/concert-grand


Thanks for posting. I agree, piano sounds better again via these audio demos.

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Originally Posted by -Jay-
Originally Posted by Max_Forte
Audio demos. Sounds much better than on early videos.

Playlist on Sound Cloud:

https://soundcloud.com/productionvoices/sets/concert-grand


Thanks for posting. I agree, piano sounds better again via these audio demos.


You are welcome. it is really interesting as they sounds really different. Maybe it's because of their traditionally bad quality walkthrough videos.


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Is it possible to rename this thread to "Production Voices - Concert Grand" ?
This product will become very popular, so it will be great to collect all the useful information in this thread.

With all the respect to OP, the present name of the thread is confusing as it looks like it was posted in "Digital pianos" forum by a mistake.


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Max_Forte - That makes sense but only a moderator could change that.

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I want to share with you an exceptional video of a recorded Yamaha C7 with Neumann KU 100 Dummy Head Microphone.

Youtube video is under the spoiler. Use your high-quality headphones and start the video from 2:03. It is incredible! This is the beauty of a real acoustic instrument that we don't hear in the VSTis...

I'd like to get one this mic perspective in my VSTi instead of ambisonic, under the piano, 2 rooms, outside etc! It is not very difficult.

String resonance triggered by a voice sounds so beautiful!



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I meant mic position named "# 5 position Under the Hood" in the video, usually "Close mic" in many VSTis


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Max_Forte #2751692 07/15/18 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Max_Forte
I want to share with you an exceptional video of a recorded Yamaha C7 with Neumann KU 100 Dummy Head Microphone.

Youtube video is under the spoiler. Use your high-quality headphones and start the video from 2:03. It is incredible! This is the beauty of a real acoustic instrument that we don't hear in the VSTis...

I'd like to get one this mic perspective in my VSTi instead of ambisonic, under the piano, 2 rooms, outside etc! It is not very difficult.

String resonance triggered by a voice sounds so beautiful!




very beautiful sound that I wanted to get from Piano VSTs.
But they usually don't have this nuance.

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Originally Posted by angmyu
Originally Posted by Max_Forte
I want to share with you an exceptional video of a recorded Yamaha C7 with Neumann KU 100 Dummy Head Microphone.

Youtube video is under the spoiler. Use your high-quality headphones and start the video from 2:03. It is incredible! This is the beauty of a real acoustic instrument that we don't hear in the VSTis...

I'd like to get one this mic perspective in my VSTi instead of ambisonic, under the piano, 2 rooms, outside etc! It is not very difficult.

String resonance triggered by a voice sounds so beautiful!




very beautiful sound that I wanted to get from Piano VSTs.
But they usually don't have this nuance.

Exactly how Embertone Steinway D sounds. Main mics plus close mics gives you everything that you hear from this video. And there is binaural above the shoulder also.Thats why I love them the most. They record that resonance like you are there. Thanks Max, fantastic video.

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Excellent recording. Neumann binaural set very impressive indeed. Beautiful sound and a rare case (for me anyway) of binaural that actually works: the sound is outside your head, outside the phones, over there and all around. Great!


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Cinjero #2751704 07/15/18 02:00 PM
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That guy has some interesting binaural recordings on his site. Worth checking out a few videos.

I think the Neumann binaural head is a bit hit-or-miss. I don't think it is very compelling on the Garritan CFX (although I like the default mics).

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I think the Neumann binaural head is a bit hit-or-miss. I don't think it is very compelling on the Garritan CFX (although I like the default mics).
Binaural has always been hit and miss for me, but this youtube recording worked for me. The most effective binaural recording I ever heard - it sounded just like real solid objects in real space - was made by me using two matched but very cheap dynamic microphones and my own head as the dummy. This suggests that the system is dependent on one's own psycho-acoustic make up, and one's own acoustic memory.


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Now after you've listened to it try another Interesting thing with the same video: Watch it without headphones! Yes, use your speakers! smile I use my JBL - LSR305.

It sounds on speakers very good too!

I think this point shows the potential of binaural recordings in the sampling technology and the unused power of sampling itself! We see that much higher quality samples can be recorded. And much higher quality can be achieved in VSTis. As in any other field, needed engineers with the fresh mind and thoughts.


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Originally Posted by Max_Forte
Now after you've listened to it try another Interesting thing with the same video: Watch it without headphones! Yes, use your speakers! smile I use my JBL - LSR305.

It sounds on speakers very good too!

I think this point shows the potential of binaural recordings in the sampling technology and the unused power of sampling itself! We see that much higher quality samples can be recorded. And much higher quality can be achieved in VSTis. As in any other field, needed engineers with the fresh mind and thoughts.


Yes, it sounds good on speakers. There is an immersive, upfront real-life sound that you don't normally get. However, the full binaural effect, which is quite impressive - even shocking - at first, can only be got with (reasonably) good stereo phones. I'm not sure that you'd always want this sound perspective in a VST piano, but it's certainly a useful option to have.


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Yes, it sounds good on speakers. There is an immersive, upfront real-life sound that you don't normally get. However, the full binaural effect, which is quite impressive - even shocking - at first, can only be got with (reasonably) good stereo phones. I'm not sure that you'd always want this sound perspective in a VST piano, but it's certainly a useful option to have.


Exactly! You can easily mix it with other perspectives or use alone on headphones as binaural! Great option to have instead of "under the piano", "ambisonics" or another useless in my opinion mics.


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Re: Steinway D Concert Grand
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Originally Posted by newer player
New videos from Production Voices Concert Grand (Steinway D) covering presets and Ambisonics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cUAHd148X0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRKkRMTfx5o

Video description says August 2018 release. Jason also stated Concert Grand & Production Grand 2 shared same: studio, equipment, mics (but Concert Grand has a few additional mics)

Updated website includes:

Full $??? (24/96.0, 1.1TB)
Gold $249 (24/44.1, 299GB)
LE $149 (16/44.1, 200GB)

9 mic positions. Kontakt 5.7 and above (not for Kontakt Player).


Hmm, I don't see those specs....

Concert Grand Platinum 24 Bit 96 kHz Approx. 342 GB compressed or 658 GB uncompressed
Concert Grand Gold 24 Bit 44.1 kHz Approx. 157 GB compressed or 299 GB uncompressed
Concert Grand LE 16 Bit 44.1 kHz Approx. 77 GB compressed or 200 GB uncompressed
Concert Grand Full All sample rates Approx. 576 GB

This is all subject to change, but this is likely what we are looking at for pricing without Kontakt Player licensing:
Concert Grand LE: $149
Concert Grand Gold: $229
Concert Grand Full $329
Upgrade pricing from Concert Grand Compact to Concert Grand LE will be available.
Sale pricing: Likely we will launch first to existing customers and offer discounts to Production Grand 2 owners.

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Cinjero #2752972 07/21/18 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Cinjero
Hmm, I don't see those specs....


I quoted uncompressed size from the website - your data is more relevant as that is actual disc storage required.

Jason updated prices but I'll take your prices too!
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Is the release date is August, not July?

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There are alternatives. I got google internet a year ago. They offer 1000 Mbps. So that would be a 30 minute download.


I'm in a *very* rural location - so I pay $1/Gb ... which makes the download cost greater than cost of the software!

hmmm...


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
There are alternatives. I got google internet a year ago. They offer 1000 Mbps. So that would be a 30 minute download.


I'm in a *very* rural location - so I pay $1/Gb ... which makes the download cost greater than cost of the software!

hmmm...


Me too! I have satellite internet, so I only get 80 GB a month to use. -_-

Hopefully the full version will come on a hard drive. I believe the full version of Production Grand 2 was available on a hard drive?

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