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Blues / boogie woogie book recommendation please #2752226 07/17/18 05:47 PM
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Hello all.

Can anyone recommend any books for learning 12 bar blues / boogie woogie please?

Id like a book that can give me some upbeat patterns i can use, some right hand melodies, not too complicated, can help me learn the blues scales in some basic keys and can help me start to piece songs together with intros, turnarounds and endings.

Ideally something that starts off quite basic but is progressive. I started with this online resource and have got to lesson 6, to give an idea of where i am.

https://piano-ology.com/course-outline/boogie-woogie-school/

Also been watching some you tube vids but could do with a progressive book now i think.

thanks for any help.

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Re: Blues / boogie woogie book recommendation please [Re: danlightbulb] #2752233 07/17/18 06:07 PM
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Your web link is pretty good. Boogie-woogie is quite popular and perhaps my favorite genre of music. But since I play mostly by ear, I don't know of any boogie-woogie music books to recommend.

That said, another PW member, Rockett88, who frequents the ABF forum on occasion is a professional boogie-woogie and blues player and also a piano teacher. But he teaches more than just boogie-woogie and blues. He teaches pretty much all genres of music. Rockett88 is about as good they get when it comes to playing boogie-woogie and blues on the piano. I'm a big fan of his!

Maybe he will see this thread and chime in to recommend some good music books for you.

Lots of boogie-woogie stuff on YT also.

Good luck and happy playing!

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I play boogie woogie piano occasionally, but like Rick, I only play piano by ear and most of the time just make it up as I’m recording. So I can’t recommend any specific books. You can learn a lot just from watching other musicians improvise this genre on YouTube. I would start with the C Blues scale then just try and improvise as many riffs as possible using different octaves whilst keeping timing. Also start with slower BPM and a metronome.

This is my latest attempt of a high tempo boogie woogie improv which I just recently submitted to the July Piano Bar thread. It is far from perfect and there is a few timing issues but maybe you can learn from it. If you want to ask me anything, feel free to send me a PM. Also if you want the full MIDI file for this so you can easily see the notation I would happily send it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JCdEvxPX7s

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A book with good progressive lessons on blues (not specifically boogie-woogie):

"Improvising Blues Piano" -- Tim Richards

It pops up in the threads here, and I've been through a good part of it.


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Re: Blues / boogie woogie book recommendation please [Re: danlightbulb] #2752249 07/17/18 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by -Jay-
I play boogie woogie piano occasionally, but like Rick, I only play piano by ear and most of the time just make it up as I’m recording. So I can’t recommend any specific books. You can learn a lot just from watching other musicians improvise this genre on YouTube. I would start with the C Blues scale then just try and improvise as many riffs as possible using different octaves whilst keeping timing. Also start with slower BPM and a metronome.

This is my latest attempt of a high tempo boogie woogie improv which I just recently submitted to the July Piano Bar thread. It is far from perfect and there is a few timing issues but maybe you can learn from it. If you want to ask me anything, feel free to send me a PM. Also if you want the full MIDI file for this so you can easily see the notation I would happily send it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JCdEvxPX7s

Hey, Jay, that made me smile, man!! And, that was the best smile I've had all day! I needed that! smile

I love your Jerry Lee Lewis style left hand there!!

Since you and danlightbulb have me in the boogie-woogie mood, here is an improvised boogie-woogie tune I recorded back in January of this year. I had not recorded anything and uploaded it to YT before this tune in a while, and I was very nervous in front of my camcorder. I stuttered a bit at the beginning of the video and it seems like I'm intoxicated, but I can assure you that I don't drink alcohol, I was just nervous as a cat... smile

As you say, maybe danlightbulb can learn something from this recording as well.

"Contemporary Boogie"

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Re: Blues / boogie woogie book recommendation please [Re: danlightbulb] #2752269 07/17/18 08:17 PM
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How To Play Boogie Woogie Piano by Arthur Migliazza, Dave Rubin.

I really loved this book and heartily recommend it. It's written by a musician who's also a good teacher (a nice combination). Presentation is clear, concise, straight to the point with lots of good advice. An excellent companion to Improvising Blues Piano by Tim Richards.

- The book comes with an audio CD and online videos.
- You can also check out the author's Youtube page..


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Originally Posted by Groove On
How To Play Boogie Woogie Piano by Arthur Migliazza, Dave Rubin.

I really loved this book and heartily recommend it. It's written by a musician who's also a good teacher (a nice combination). Presentation is clear, concise, straight to the point with lots of good advice. An excellent companion to Improvising Blues Piano by Tim Richards.

- The book comes with an audio CD and online videos.
- You can also check out the author's Youtube page..

I listened to some of Arthur's music videos and he is an exceptional piano player. Extraordinarily good, and very highly skilled. I was amazed. Chances are he's been playing the piano since childhood and has spent countless days and hours at the piano honing his skills. And, he has achieved enormous success. I would think anything, books, videos, teaching aids, personal lessons, etc... he had to sell would be worth it.

One doesn't get that good at playing the piano overnight, or without overwhelming dedication and hard work. I admire him and his piano playing skills a lot.

Great suggestion!

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I like Dr K for boogie info and instruction.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClw8Huc_XZcz46GJh5Z0wuA

Although I haven't bought any of his stuff, I've picked up quite a bit from his video's and the samples on his site, which covers a lot.

Intro's, endings, riffs, left hand variants etc...

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Thanks guys Ive ordered both those books.

And thanks for posting videos of your own boogie woogies. I hope to reach that standard one day. I'm hoping (perhaps naively we will see) that I can play passable boogie woogie by building up with basic basslines and licks on top.

That was my main gripe with classical piano - if I'd have been dumped in front of a piano in a pub, I couldn't have just spontaneously played something fun. That's what I really want out of my piano playing, to be able to just play something fun on the spur of the moment.

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Ive had a look at the Dr K stuff online. Its hard to follow his videos along and I'm not sure they are progressive enough for me, i.e it feels like they jump to slightly too hard a bit too fast. The sheets can be downloaded for a fee ($120 for all of his material).

I'm tempted, but I'd need to be confident that I can get the progression I need from it first. Its no good giving me a really easy bassline then in the next lesson its intro, baseline, lick, ending all in one.

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Hi all.

Im getting on quite well with the boogie woogie book.

The main difficulty im having is the left hand chord changes, and keeping the beat.

For example im playing an 8 to the bar left hand of C C8 E C8 G C8 E C8 in swing pattern. When i play this in F or G its quite tricky to get from the top F or top G back down to the low C in the time available.

Is there anything i can do? Eg skipping the top note on the chord change?

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Is this the pattern you're playing?
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I think the main thing with moving from chord to chord with this pattern is get a solid "push' on the last eighth (4&). Land solidly on the thumb BUT push off only after you've targeted the next chord with your pinky finger (5) and are mentally ready to begin playing the pattern again. Pay attention to wrist/palm/forearm rotation here as well - that's part of the fun.

FWIW - My default LH fingering for this pattern is [5 4 2 1] for all chords. Though I've also practiced it as [5 3 2 1] (especially for D, A, E, B and Bb). But I like 5 4 2 1 for this pattern because it preps the hand for a lot of the other fun-rotating-jumpy Yancey, New Orleans and traditional Boogie Woogie patterns.

Going round the circle of 4ths/5ths will solidify a lot of the basic jumps. And I like the Chapter 3 exercise where you play the RH with On-Off, Off-On and Triplet rhythms (using as the 6th or triad in 2nd inversion).


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Is there anything i can do? Eg skipping the top note on the chord change?


FWIW (not my style) --

Rather than skipping the last note, _substitute_ something in the chord (of that measure), but closer in pitch to the first note of the next measure.

So instead of:

C C8 E C8 G C8 E C8 | F (a twelfth down from C8)

try:

C C8 E C8 G C8 E G | F (a ninth down from G)

The second pattern is _way_ easier. Whether it sounds OK -- that's your call.


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Originally Posted by Groove On
Is this the pattern you're playing?
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I think the main thing with moving from chord to chord with this pattern is get a solid "push' on the last eighth (4&). Land solidly on the thumb BUT push off only after you've targeted the next chord with your pinky finger (5) and are mentally ready to begin playing the pattern again. Pay attention to wrist/palm/forearm rotation here as well - that's part of the fun.

FWIW - My default LH fingering for this pattern is [5 4 2 1] for all chords. Though I've also practiced it as [5 3 2 1] (especially for D, A, E, B and Bb). But I like 5 4 2 1 for this pattern because it preps the hand for a lot of the other fun-rotating-jumpy Yancey, New Orleans and traditional Boogie Woogie patterns.

Going round the circle of 4ths/5ths will solidify a lot of the basic jumps. And I like the Chapter 3 exercise where you play the RH with On-Off, Off-On and Triplet rhythms (using as the 6th or triad in 2nd inversion).


Yes thats the pattern. For some reason i find this pattern alot easier than the basic shuffle pattern so im playing all the licks with this one.

The book doesnt go into much detail on how to put the various components together to form a song though. any ideas on this?

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Originally Posted by danlightbulb


The book doesnt go into much detail on how to put the various components together to form a song though. any ideas on this?


The book probably doesn't go into much detail about how to put it all together to form a song because that is not the point.

The point is to learn how to play the rhythm(s), and learn various licks, then put it the licks and the rhythm together yourself.

How to do that? Listen to good Boogie-Woogie performed by the masters, and copy them. Putting it together is basically putting together the licks that you know.

Basically, all players, Blues and Boogie-Woogie, learn by copying the masters.

I have attempted to teach people how to play Blues for over 20 years, with limited success, because of that question.

It is like teaching someone how to drive a car, then they ask the teacher, "Now that I can drive, where should I go?" "How do I put a trip together?"

With the music, there is no answer other than to copy the masters. Listen and copy.


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Yeah i get you but i find it difficult to hear what is going on when i listen to it.

I can hear some basic structures, like intro, lick, block chord section, lick again, repeat of intro again, lick, block chord, ending.

But its hard to hear when they are doing alternate chord progressions etc or switching baseline patterns. I can transpose the licks into alternate keys and obviously i know the C F G progression but dont know any others. I dont know what keys go together well, eg can i switch from C F G to D G A or not, or something else?

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1. Youtube videos have a feature where you can slow the video down; At the bottom of the screen is a menu bar. There is a gear icon...click it and you can slow the video down in various stages.

There are numerous programs and devices that you can use to slow down a song, and isolate parts of it, and even stop it on one note so you can hear it.

2. Boogie-Woogie is almost always a simple I - IV - V progression, usually in C.


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JAY - That is amazing! Well done!

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Originally Posted by rockett88
Basically, all players, Blues and Boogie-Woogie, learn by copying the masters.

And, rocket88, you are right up there among the Blues and Boogie-Woogie masters, in my book at least! thumb

I've learned a few of your blues/boogie licks, which you most likely learned from the masters; but now you are a master yourself! Love the circle of life! Or would that be circle of 5ths? smile

danlightbulb, keep working on it; you'll get better at it.

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Rick you are very kind.


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