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Broken bridge in piano #2750979
07/12/18 01:46 PM
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I saw pictures of a piano I wanted but the bridge is broken and the broken ends look to be 3 or 4 inches apart up and down...the soundboard is cracked,too.Would the bridge have to be copied and replaced? I've never seen a broken bridge in a piano,I can't imagine how that could even happen.

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Re: Broken bridge in piano [Re: oth47] #2750983
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Can we see pics? What age is this piano? What make? is it upright or grand? Broken bridge and cracked soundboard certainly doesn't sound encouraging.

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It's upright,"cottage piano" with 82 keys..Nutting Addison and co. from England. Seller says over 100 years old and made of rosewood.I can't tell the wood from the pix they sent.The tuning pins are oblong.I'll see if I can send the pic from my email to here..

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No way to get a pic from there to here..

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Re: Broken bridge in piano [Re: oth47] #2751076
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I second BDB.

The case won't be solid rosewood, it's just a veneer.

Forget it as a piano; that's ridiculous. Cottage Pianos are 1880s, and were cheapo bargain-basement instruments when brand new. Should have been burnt before the First World War.

If you want to make a bookcase or drinks cabinet out of it, that's a different matter, but forget any attempt to repair and have it as a piano. It would be the piano equivalent of your daughter wanting to learn the trumpet, so you buy her a toy plastic one from a Dollar store.

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Guess I made the right choice in telling them I'd pass on the piano.

Re: Broken bridge in piano [Re: oth47] #2751193
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Yes you did, without a doubt.

Re: Broken bridge in piano [Re: oth47] #2751239
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Out of curiosity, I looked at your local Craigslist ads for pianos and found the one you are referring to. Yikes.

But, the good news is there is a very nice looking Yamaha P22 on your local CL as well. Made in 1990 in GA, it could be a really nice, solid piano. If I were in the market for a good, inexpensive instrument, I would be all over that. I have a couple of these at my school and I much prefer them to the newer, Chinese-made P22's. Many orders of magnitude better than that old English wreck, and not all that much more money. Sounds and looks like it was maintained well, currently in climate controlled storage.

https://chattanooga.craigslist.org/msg/d/yamaha-piano-p22-offers/6629967342.html

Re: Broken bridge in piano [Re: violarules] #2751410
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I have a nice piano for the benefit of the 4 great-granddaughters that we have custody of,I was just interested in the English piano because of the oddity of it to me.

Re: Broken bridge in piano [Re: oth47] #2751446
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This sounds like a seriously historic instrument. I would like to see a picture. I had a quick look on Craiglist but couldn't find it. Assuming it is still there, could someone post a link?


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It's still there as of a few seconds ago,Georgia craigslist,click on Atlanta,type in cottage piano.If you don't find it,I can send a pic by email if you like.

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This sounds like a seriously historic instrument.


What do you mean by 'seriously historic', David? If you mean 'very old, and cheap and nasty when brand new in 1885', then yes, indeed.

"Cottage pianos" were produced in scores of thousands by small English workshops assembling parts, from the early1880s, to meet a rapidly growing demand for a 'parlor piano' for the homes of working families who by then were beginning to have the means to afford a cheap piano. They were never high-end pianos. They were budget models made down to a price, to be affordable. They often looked pretty, because fine hardwood veneers were cheap back them, as was the woodworking labor.

It seems that quite a few of such 'pianos' instead of being burnt after thirty years, as they should have been, eventually were shipped to the USA as "antique" instruments by unscrupulous persons.

No person today with a serious interest in piano playing, should consider having such a thing as a piano. If someone wants to have one as a decorative bit of furniture, in addition to have a proper piano for playing on, that's a different matter.

These Cottage Pianos are 'historic' in the sense that their existence is part of the history of English piano making, certainly, but not really in any other sense.

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Thanks oth47. David - well perhaps "seriously historic" was putting it a bit strong, but what I meant was that a piano from the 1850s is really quite early, this being the date indicated by Grace's Guide for Nutting, Addison & Co. There is a kinship (in terms of looks, anyway) to the Butcher upright of c. 1840 formerly in the Colt Collection:

Butcher upright

The kinship (in terms of looks) extends back to the 1810 Clementi cabinet piano from the Colt Collection:

Clementi cabinet

Presumably you meant: ... should consider having such a thing as a cottage piano.


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I thought that cloth panel might be a later addition..maybe not.

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I think the cloth panel is probably an original feature.

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Yes, they were made with silk cloth behind fretwork top panels. Quite a good idea acoustically.

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Presumably you meant: ... should consider having such a thing as a cottage piano.



No, sorry, I phrased it ambiguously. What I meant was "No person who is wanting to have a piano should think of a Cottage Piano as a viable piano".

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No, sorry, I phrased it ambiguously. What I meant was "No person who is wanting to have a piano should think of a Cottage Piano as a viable piano".

I understand now. I hadn't noticed that your sentence was capable of a quite different interpretation. English is a funny language!

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