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Re: I Suck at Bach [Re: RmntcPianoLvr] #2750667
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Can I ask how far along should a beginner be before trying any Bach pieces and what are the ones people usually start on?


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Re: I Suck at Bach [Re: allegro_concerto] #2750772
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Originally Posted by allegro_concerto
French Suite No. 5 is the most famous one... I have played all of 5 and 6 myself when I was younger, they are quite lovely and charming pieces to play.


Listened to the whole thing by Andras Shiff, a very light yet touching piece. May consider that one thanks for the recommendation.

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Can I ask how far along should a beginner be before trying any Bach pieces and what are the ones people usually start on?


Look for Notebook for Anna Magdalena Bach

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Originally Posted by hyena
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Can I ask how far along should a beginner be before trying any Bach pieces and what are the ones people usually start on?

Look for Notebook for Anna Magdalena Bach


Notebook for Anna M Bach is considered a compilation of other composer's work with only 4 pieces attributable to Bach himself. When Bach presented a notebook to his second wife for learning, a number of pages were blank and pieces were added in later by hand later. Many of the pieces are easy to sight-read including the frequently played Minuet in G & G minor now attributed to Christian Petzhold. The bass part in many of the pieces in the Notebook is simpler than having a second melody (counter-melody) running side-by-side with the main melody. If you can master at least 1 of the 2-part Inventions even at a very slow tempo, you are on your way to more complex pieces like Prelude & Fugue. A set of suites like the 6 French Suites you can find pieces in between with just 1 line on the treble & 1 line on the bass like the Minuet from Suite #2 in C minor. 1 piece I like in particular is the French Suite #3 Minuet & Trio. there are some variations in the piece since Bach submitted it to a publisher at 2 different times. The Minuet has 1 part for the treble & 1 part for the bass. Then comes the trio with 3 parts. Some of the notes in the middle part are played with the L and some are with the R depends on whether the notes are closer to the left or the right hand.

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I'm having to finish 4 of the inventions (almost finished 3), then sinfonias,after that I will probably do some french suites.

Re: I Suck at Bach [Re: RmntcPianoLvr] #2751190
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In the past I've always started my practice session with at least one WTC Prelude and Fugue. Now as I'm immersed in the Goldbergs, I play 5 variations in my session. Sometimes 10. Granted, they're all in the same key, but they are all fairly short. What I'm looking for is independence between the fingers and hands. Plus you get to practice hand crossings. Because they are short I feel that I've accomplished something, rather than long passages of the Toccatas or Partitas or English Suites, or long fugues of WTC 1, which are very challenging on the practice schedule. This warms up the fingers and gets me ready for Mozart or Schumann, who also requires a lot of independence between fingers.


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Re: I Suck at Bach [Re: thepianoplayer416] #2751244
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Originally Posted by hyena
Originally Posted by monkeeys
Can I ask how far along should a beginner be before trying any Bach pieces and what are the ones people usually start on?


Look for Notebook for Anna Magdalena Bach

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Originally Posted by hyena
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Can I ask how far along should a beginner be before trying any Bach pieces and what are the ones people usually start on?

Look for Notebook for Anna Magdalena Bach


Notebook for Anna M Bach is considered a compilation of other composer's work with only 4 pieces attributable to Bach himself. When Bach presented a notebook to his second wife for learning, a number of pages were blank and pieces were added in later by hand later. Many of the pieces are easy to sight-read including the frequently played Minuet in G & G minor now attributed to Christian Petzhold. The bass part in many of the pieces in the Notebook is simpler than having a second melody (counter-melody) running side-by-side with the main melody. If you can master at least 1 of the 2-part Inventions even at a very slow tempo, you are on your way to more complex pieces like Prelude & Fugue. A set of suites like the 6 French Suites you can find pieces in between with just 1 line on the treble & 1 line on the bass like the Minuet from Suite #2 in C minor. 1 piece I like in particular is the French Suite #3 Minuet & Trio. there are some variations in the piece since Bach submitted it to a publisher at 2 different times. The Minuet has 1 part for the treble & 1 part for the bass. Then comes the trio with 3 parts. Some of the notes in the middle part are played with the L and some are with the R depends on whether the notes are closer to the left or the right hand.

Thanks. I’ve got First Lessons by Bach. It’s a Leonard publican that seems pretty good. I may post a separate thread on it. These responses were a great help.


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Re: I Suck at Bach [Re: RmntcPianoLvr] #2751251
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I would just encourage you to keep going and take your practice slowly and methodically. I find learning Bach to be a puzzle compared to anything else on which I work. When the pieces finally start coming together, it is marvelous indeed! Also, I think I read on these pages once (and it makes sense) that the more we become familiar with one composer's work, the more approachable and perhaps intuitive it becomes to us. Even if you were an advanced player with Chopin or Schubert, I could see how jumping right into Bach with no background in his music might be a jolt. Just keep it slow and steady. The music can be quite difficult, but very much worth the work you put into it.

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