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Re: Brand new piano player! [Re: Yamaha1634] #2750633
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Yes, the difference between these two goes far beyond two-sensor vs. three-sensor.
The YDP-14x series have have the GHS action.
The YDP-16x series have the GH action ... which gives a far superior touch.

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Re: Brand new piano player! [Re: Yamaha1634] #2750662
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
The YDP-14x series have have the GHS action.
The YDP-16x series have the GH action ... which gives a far superior touch.


+1. (Assuming that MacMacMac is correct, about which model has which action).

If you can swing the price of a Yamaha with GH action, it'll be OK for your needs. IMHO (and I might be biased because of my own choice) the GH action is at least as good as Casio's current action (which I have on the PX-350), maybe better.

The GHS is inferior -- lighter, less "piano-like" in some hard-to-define, but easy-to-feel way.

I wonder if Yamaha P155's are available. It's a slab piano, but you can get an inexpensive "furniture stand" (and triple-pedal) for it. That has a GH action, and OK sound-generator. It's out of production for some time (replaced by the P255), but might still be competitive against newer models.

Life is complicated, when several makers compete against each other, and "objective criteria" are hard to establish.


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Re: Brand new piano player! [Re: Yamaha1634] #2750707
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Thanks for all your help guys. It's been a real eye opener!

After all we've experienced and read we've decided we want a Yamaha. And we've also decided we want a 14 something and not a 16... We preferred the feel and action of the 143 over the 163 for example. And I don't think this piano will be played to a level where a 3rd sensor will be missed for many years!! Now this decision may be down to our inexperience but its what we preferred! And that's what counts right?

Having looked at used models on the internet i feel confident i can get a good condition used 142 or possibly even a 143 for around the £350 or £450 mark respectively. This is back to my initial budget and having fully tried and researched the different models available I'm confident that we would be getting a good quality, long lasting instrument for a very good price!

I will just have to wait and see if a 142 can actually connect to an iPad or not, some people seem to say it can, other say it can't... We will find out! In fact, i may we'll start another thread asking about this specific feature!!

Thanks again for all the advice folks!

Re: Brand new piano player! [Re: Yamaha1634] #2750716
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The only surprising thing for me is preferring the key action of YDP-14x over YDP-16x.
I wonder if it is still related to heaviness?
In case you have a piano teacher it might be a good question to ask the teacher's advice especially on this topic -- depending on the purpose of course: if it is purely hobby and there are no one interested in long lasting deep studies in classical piano playing, then this is most likely superfluous.


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Re: Brand new piano player! [Re: Yamaha1634] #2750718
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I'm joining this discussion rather late.

One option that is always overlooked is the possibility of renting a keyboard from your local music store.


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Re: Brand new piano player! [Re: Jasper E.] #2750721
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Originally Posted by Jasper E.
The only surprising thing for me is preferring the key action of YDP-14x over YDP-16x.
I wonder if it is still related to heaviness?
In case you have a piano teacher it might be a good question to ask the teacher's advice especially on this topic -- depending on the purpose of course: if it is purely hobby and there are no one interested in long lasting deep studies in classical piano playing, then this is most likely superfluous.


Yeah no teacher involved. My wife is learning using apps, books and youtube, she also has a few friends who have played for a while, grade 5 or 6 i think, and they have been giving advice but i think this will just be a hobby instrument, probably never taking any exams, just playing a few songs for the enjoyment of it. It's also highly doubtful that she will ever get the chance to play a real grand piano or an upright acoustic and I'm sure we will never own one. So i suppose it's just whatever feels nice, not necessarily whatever is the best replica of a grand....

My brother in law's parents have a fairly old Technics digital and Ive had a go at chopsticks myself as well as hearing others play slightly more advanced pieces and I've never thought it sounded bad or felt bad, i just thought it felt and sounded like a piano! And a very nice one too!! Now looking at forums, videos, reviews etc it seems their piano is pretty poor or at least old and dated! But I wouldn't have thought so if I hadn't looked into it!! I always assumed it was a nice instrument! What I'm trying to say is that 95% of people out there don't know if a £500 digital piano feels like a grand piano or not, or if a £4000 digital piano feels any more like one! And they probably couldn't tell the difference between the two either! Obviously the further you get into the 'hobby' the more you start to notice the differences and appreciate the extra money spent on a better quality instrument, but for the most part, cheap will do just as well!

Who knows in 5 years time my wife may be grade 5 and I'll be back on here asking advise on a much more expensive venture!!

Re: Brand new piano player! [Re: Jasper E.] #2750744
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Originally Posted by Jasper E.
The only surprising thing for me is preferring the key action of YDP-14x over YDP-16x.
I wonder if it is still related to heaviness?


Well if the comparison was to a £7k yamaha brand new upright then I'm guessing that's a U1 and pivot point might have been a factor. GHS has short pivots, the U1 also has this so would feel similar in that regard. You have to get up to the U3 (which is close to £10k brand new I think) to get a decent pivot length out of yamaha.

Re: Brand new piano player! [Re: Yamaha1634] #2750859
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If she won't be moving between digital piano, and acoustic piano, the GHS action should be fine.

We can get really excited here, over differences that won't matter much to most people.

And a Yamaha YDP-14x is way, way better than an unweighted keyboard.


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Re: Brand new piano player! [Re: Charles Cohen] #2750899
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Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
If she won't be moving between digital piano, and acoustic piano, the GHS action should be fine.

We can get really excited here, over differences that won't matter much to most people.

And a Yamaha YDP-14x is way, way better than an unweighted keyboard.



My thoughts exactly!!

Re: Brand new piano player! [Re: Yamaha1634] #2750911
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Originally Posted by Yamaha1634
Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
If she won't be moving between digital piano, and acoustic piano, the GHS action should be fine.

We can get really excited here, over differences that won't matter much to most people.

And a Yamaha YDP-14x is way, way better than an unweighted keyboard.



My thoughts exactly!!


I know you're going down the auto-didactic learning route, I feel that more important than what a beginner buys to play on is to get a great basic instruction from an ABRSM qualified piano teacher (or equivalent). Even if it's just for 6 months or a year or two, the learning framework a teacher helps you develop would be worth its weight in gold and prevent any unfortunate bad habits forming as a result of a well meaning but amateurish online course or learning app. Certainly if you're not going to have a lesson a week, I would advise you check the advise any program or video course gives you with the adult beginners piano forum:
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