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CLP 330 vs yamaha DGX 660 #2750369
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Hi All,

I am looking to buy a digital piano for my 8 year old.
With < $1000 budget I am looking at a new Yamaha DGX 660 or a slightly used 2011 clavinova clp-330 ($900).

Which one is a better choice for a beginner? Or is there another option for this budget?

Based on reviews I was leaning towards the clp but I am not sure what might be best for my 8 year old. Thank you for your help.

Sorry about the repost. I initially posted in the wrong forum

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Re: CLP 330 vs yamaha DGX 660 [Re: rjwebq] #2750372
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If your 8 year old is going to learn to play piano, there's no doubt that the CLP330 would be the better option. The action is much more pleasant to play, and more like a real piano. It's also more piano like in other ways - the console is more solid and stable.

If your 8 year old is interested in different sounds and arrangements beyond piano, harpsichord and a couple of other standards. And if you'd like her or him to learn to compose, arrange and record pieces of music, then the DGX660 might be better. But on balance, I'd get the CLP330, either way, and proceed from there. You can negotiate the price down on a second hand deal.

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Re: CLP 330 vs yamaha DGX 660 [Re: rjwebq] #2750414
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If willing to spend $1000 on a used digital piano, it's of course worth checking out what brand new models one can get for the same money:

https://www.kraftmusic.com/digital-...st_order=price&product_list_dir=desc

There are some Rolands and Kawais that might be quite good. Many are happy with Casio Privias and Celvianos too.

Or maybe for just a tiny bit more:

https://www.kraftmusic.com/digital-...e=1000-2000&product_list_order=price

(I'm not endorsing Kraft Music, but they had a convenient search function and a large collection of models.)

The CLP330 being 3xx series is quite old and being x30 series was a pretty basic model.

A Yamaha Arius YDP-163 or YDP-S52 would be a more modern option, but I guess they are significantly more expensive. But how about a Kawai KDP110 or Roland F-140R at $1200?

Just don't play $900 for the old Clavinova. People (sellers and also buyers) need to realize that old Clavinovas are now old and not worth what they were as new.

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Thank you. What would be a good offer for a used 2011 clp-330?

Ydp- 143 and ydp-s34 are $1000 in Amazon. Would this better as far as functionality for the price.

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Re: CLP 330 vs yamaha DGX 660 [Re: clothearednincompo] #2750676
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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
If willing to spend $1000 on a used digital piano, it's of course worth checking out what brand new models one can get for the same money:

https://www.kraftmusic.com/digital-...st_order=price&product_list_dir=desc

There are some Rolands and Kawais that might be quite good. Many are happy with Casio Privias and Celvianos too.

Or maybe for just a tiny bit more:

https://www.kraftmusic.com/digital-...e=1000-2000&product_list_order=price

(I'm not endorsing Kraft Music, but they had a convenient search function and a large collection of models.)

The CLP330 being 3xx series is quite old and being x30 series was a pretty basic model.

A Yamaha Arius YDP-163 or YDP-S52 would be a more modern option, but I guess they are significantly more expensive. But how about a Kawai KDP110 or Roland F-140R at $1200?

Just don't play $900 for the old Clavinova. People (sellers and also buyers) need to realize that old Clavinovas are now old and not worth what they were as new.


Between the kdp 110, roland f-140 and yamaha ydp 143 - what would you recommend?

Re: CLP 330 vs yamaha DGX 660 [Re: rjwebq] #2750801
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The DGX-660, YDP-143 and YDP-S34 all have a similar key action (Yamaha GHS) and apparently very similar piano sounds (Pure CF Sound Engine), so the main difference from piano playing perspective is the speaker system. Otherwise the DGX of course is the most versatile.

The benefit offered by Kawai KDP110, Roland F-140R or some more expensive Yamahas would be a more realistic key action. The sound is somewhat a matter of taste, but all the "big brands" are ok. Roland has the most advanced piano tone simulation in the lower price range. (The resonances and partly modelled sound. But it sounds like a Roland.)

I can't think in U.S. used digital piano prices and dollars, but of course it's a matter of taste, how much cheaper a used item needs to be (compared to brand new modern options) to justify
- the somewhat outdated specifications and technology
- all the wear of a used device: cosmetic, mechanical, age of the elecronics
- lack of any kind of warranty vs. several years of manufacturer's warranty plus the (hopefully) helpful staff at the local music store of your choice

So, if I could get a brand new, modern Kawai KDP110 for e.g. $1000, a less advanced used 10 years old model (like CLP-330) would need to be quite cheap to compensate all the things I'd miss.

If I got it for $500 would saving $500 be enough compensation for all the pain and grief of realizing that
- It's outdated. It doesn't even have any resonances. It might not be as much fun to play.
- It's old. It may break down at any moment and getting it fixed could be expensive.
- I had to drag it from the seller's house all on my own whereas the local helpful music store might have delivered a new one for free.

I don't even really want a CLP-330 myself. I've spent too much time here on this forum to identify all its shortcomings, although it's of course perfectly fine for a beginner for many years. But that's just me.

Re: CLP 330 vs yamaha DGX 660 [Re: rjwebq] #2750842
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I generally agree with Clotheared's comments, above, and will point out that the DGX-660 has best speaker system: four speakers (12cm x 2 and 5cm x2) vs. two speakers in all the other pianos mentioned. It has "only" 12W of amplification, but this is fine even in my 20 feet x 14 feet study with a cathedral ceiling and soft furnishings. I recommend that you consider the YDP-143 and YDP-S34 only if you want a console-style piano for aesthetic reasons; in most other ways they are inferior to the DGX-660 and more expensive! It is generally the case that "slabs" with stands and pedals offer more value than console-style pianos.

I have enjoyed owning a DGX-660 since last Thanksgiving, even though I usually play it as a "straight piano" without its many arranger/accompaniment features. I am looking to return to my intermediate-level classical music playing of many decades ago, and the DGX has been a good instrument to help achieve that goal. I've been steadily learning its 100 built-in classical pieces (Grade 1 to 6), and have not found its key action to be a constraint on my progress. In particular, I enjoy the orchestral arrangements that call on its many built-in "voices" as accompaniment, when I play the lead piano voice. This is much more fun than only achieving the right tempo with a metronome.

For a beginner, I would imagine that the DGX-660's many built-in learning aids (read the owner's manual online to get an idea) as well as Yamaha's excellent and free apps would help. The instrument has a lot of capabilities, but its brilliant user interface with 4.5 inch screen and well-written manual make it a breeze to use. You can ignore all this and just play it as a piano; it even has a special Piano Room button to facilitate this. I have been very happy with my purchase and recommend it, but you would be wise to consider its direct competitors in the Casio PX line, the Roland FP-30 and the Kawai ES110.

Here is my positive review of the DGX-660 shortly after purchase (my feelings have not changed over the last 7 months): http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...ck-to-yamaha-on-dgx-660.html#Post2699714

Note that I do not recommend the optional Yamaha LP7A three-pedal (plastic) unit if you buy a new DGX-660, as it is of poor quality. I bought the Yamaha FC3A single sustain pedal (metal), never having used the other two pedals in 10 years of study as a child, and it has served me well.

Re: CLP 330 vs yamaha DGX 660 [Re: rjwebq] #2750861
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A few final thoughts before signing off, for the original poster and others new to digital pianos:

* Read the owner's manuals online to compare model specifications and assess ease of use. There is nothing like playing an instrument, of course, but prepare yourself before visiting a piano store.
* Consider whether you (or your child) would find additional features a distraction or help sustain an interest in music. Piano proficiency is not easy and needs time and determination.
* Set aside money for lessons with a teacher if you are new to the piano. I had piano lessons 3x a week for 10 years as a child, so for me the digital side was new, but the rest was not.
* This forum's search engine does not work well. It is much easier to find older threads of interest by using Google with the term "Pianoworld forum" and your topic.
* In the US, for pianos carried by chain and online stores, it is not difficult to get a 10-15% discount by asking or waiting for sales. I was lucky to get 20% off plus a manufacturer's holiday rebate and some free stuff.

Back to the DGX-660:

* I believe that Yamaha put a great deal of thought into the 100 built-in pieces and other learning aids. There are some simple Grade 1-2 pieces, which one can make more challenging by playing in perfect sync and tempo with a backing orchestra. There are more complex pieces for which Yamaha has devised simpler arrangements. There are pieces where one has to play a non-piano voice (e.g., the flute) with the orchestra. And there are many traditional classical pieces of increasing difficulty where you play the piano alone, generally Grade 3-6. I am currently perfecting a Grade 5 Bach piano solo piece, but alternate practice with other types of pieces just for variety and fun.

* The built-in learning aids are many, from switching off one or two of six tracks so that you can play with the orchestra, to slowing down the tempo of a piece, or practicing a certain section repeatedly (you select the measures), or asking the piano to wait until you play the right note (for beginners). The score can be displayed on the built-in screen or you can download the score book. Yamaha has also developed a variety of free music apps, particularly useful if you have an iPad, and the DGX-660 has great connectivity -- USB to computer and device, Aux in, Mic in, etc. Again, you can ignore all this stuff and just play the piano, which is what I do most of the time.

* The DGX-660 is not the "ultimate" digital piano and I have no illusions that it is. Last week, I spent an entire morning playing high-end digitals at a local piano store and loved the $4,000 Kawai CA78's light and buttery Grand Feel II action, for example. But for me, I know that my DGX-660 has played an important role in a successful return to the piano after decades away. And I thank Yamaha for that.

Re: CLP 330 vs yamaha DGX 660 [Re: rjwebq] #2751725
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Thank you all for your feedback. I have almost made up my mind to get the Kawai kdp 110. I'll sleep over it for a day or two, and pull the trigger. Hopefully I'll come across a good price for it.


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