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Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: CyberGene] #2749931
07/07/18 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
This is a good competitor to ES8 IMO.

As I recently reported the supposedly "better" action in CLP675 is a total disaster and that's confirmed by other people on the forum too. So, it's the right decision to stick to their proven NWX action which is on par with Kawai RH3.

Furthermore, I think the new CFX patch in the latest Yamaha pianos is better than the piano sounds of Kawai, even if only very slightly. Yamaha also have the best harpsichord IMO and some of their other sounds are very good. If the sound system is comparable to that in the ES8, then it's a good achievement. Modeling has proven ineffective so far, and I applaud Yamaha for sticking to sampling smile


The ES8 has been with us some time now. A new one designed to make a good impression (ie, blow the rest out of the water) may well be in the offing, soon.
Now, I tried one only a few days ago and the sound samples were good; each piano was distinct and well usable. The biggest let down, as with most portables is in the sound. It has hitherto been compromised. And, as it happens, rectified in the new Roland FP60, which now has the strength and depth of a console model. About time, too! The FP90 will no doubt exhibit this, and probably more, I haven't tried one yet.
So. In order to create this impression, there's a one step way of achieving this.
Grand Feel Compact!! YAAAAAAYY !! Bring it on, guys . . . .Oh, hang on; what will the price be?? With stand and triple pedal, £1550, no more. I'd buy it!

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Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: peterws] #2749940
07/07/18 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by peterws
The ES8 has been with us some time now. A new one designed to make a good impression (ie, blow the rest out of the water) may well be in the offing, soon.
...
In order to create this impression, there's a one step way of achieving this. Grand Feel Compact!!


I agree, Peter. This would be a fitting response by Kawai and I hope it happens.

Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: peterws] #2749958
07/07/18 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by peterws
The ES8 has been with us some time now. A new one designed to make a good impression (ie, blow the rest out of the water) may well be in the offing, soon.
Now, I tried one only a few days ago and the sound samples were good; each piano was distinct and well usable. The biggest let down, as with most portables is in the sound. It has hitherto been compromised. And, as it happens, rectified in the new Roland FP60, which now has the strength and depth of a console model. About time, too! The FP90 will no doubt exhibit this, and probably more, I haven't tried one yet.
So. In order to create this impression, there's a one step way of achieving this.
Grand Feel Compact!! YAAAAAAYY !! Bring it on, guys . . . .Oh, hang on; what will the price be?? With stand and triple pedal, £1550, no more. I'd buy it!

dang! poor yamaha!
two months before their new unit even hits the street, it’s already being blow out of the water by a kawai that hasn’t been announced! wink


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Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: Jefsco] #2749986
07/07/18 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Jefsco
Originally Posted by peterws
The ES8 has been with us some time now. A new one designed to make a good impression (ie, blow the rest out of the water) may well be in the offing, soon.
Now, I tried one only a few days ago and the sound samples were good; each piano was distinct and well usable. The biggest let down, as with most portables is in the sound. It has hitherto been compromised. And, as it happens, rectified in the new Roland FP60, which now has the strength and depth of a console model. About time, too! The FP90 will no doubt exhibit this, and probably more, I haven't tried one yet.
So. In order to create this impression, there's a one step way of achieving this.
Grand Feel Compact!! YAAAAAAYY !! Bring it on, guys . . . .Oh, hang on; what will the price be?? With stand and triple pedal, £1550, no more. I'd buy it!

dang! poor yamaha!
two months before their new unit even hits the street, it’s already being blow out of the water by a kawai that hasn’t been announced! wink



Yamaha will be aware of this possibility anyway. So you can rest assured their response will be forthcoming depending on one thing. Like, sales of the P515 . . .that'll tell them all they need to know.


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Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: CyberGene] #2750068
07/07/18 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
This is a good competitor to ES8 IMO.

As I recently reported the supposedly "better" action in CLP675 is a total disaster and that's confirmed by other people on the forum too. So, it's the right decision to stick to their proven NWX action which is on par with Kawai RH3.

I hope it survives shipping better than Kawai actions. wink

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Furthermore, I think the new CFX patch in the latest Yamaha pianos is better than the piano sounds of Kawai, even if only very slightly. Yamaha also have the best harpsichord IMO and some of their other sounds are very good. If the sound system is comparable to that in the ES8, then it's a good achievement. Modeling has proven ineffective so far, and I applaud Yamaha for sticking to sampling smile

I'm looking forward to testing it and comparing it to the ES8. On paper the wooden action, the CFX and the new 3-pedal stand sounds like a perfect match for what I'm looking for as a replacement for the ES100. Especially at that price level, now where the CA58 priced itself out of my market and the CA17 is not available anymore.


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