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Question/Problem re: Pizzicato Patch/Sound On Kurzweil SP4-7 #2748805
07/02/18 03:37 PM
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I'm auditioning a Kurzweil SP4-7 I got from Kraft Music. It was a returned item from a customer, but it looks practically brand new (just a little scratch on it) and it still would have its full warranty.

Thus far, it does a lot of things well and I'm fairly happy with it. There are a couple of niggling things which I think I can live with.

There is one thing,however, I have noticed that I'm not sure is supposed to be. The Pizzicato patch, which is one of the sounds built into the keyboard, is actually pretty impressive sounding. But starting with the G an octave above middle C, a sustained string accompanies the plucked string. I don't know if this is supposed to happen. The manual isn't the best at explaining things, but I think I have figured out how to unlayer 2 patches which might have been previously layered together. I know I have done a hard reset with the keyboard and it's still there.

So again, I get the single plucked string notes from the lowest note on the keyboard right up to the F# an octave above middle C, but from the G an octave above middle C on up, a sustained string ensemble note is there layered along with the plucked note. Perhaps it was meant to be that way. I don't know. I'm just checking. I would find it odd if it had been intentionally programmed that way, as a user could always add that on. I just haven't been able to figure out how to uncouple that sustained string ensemble sound.

I have contacted Kurzweil customer support first thing today. I have not received a response yet.

Anyone have one of these instruments who could tell me whether this is normal, and/or can help me figure out how to unlayer it?

Thanks,

Jeff

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Re: Question/Problem re: Pizzicato Patch/Sound On Kurzweil SP4-7 [Re: AnalogJeff] #2748807
07/02/18 03:54 PM
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Just got a reply from Jean at Kurzweil. Yes, it's intentional. The level of the sustained strings can be modified with the wheel.

I'm not trying to figure out how one might incorporate that. Once the key has been depressed, you can't bring out the sustained string tone. Only if the key is depressed with the wheel at a certain spot will the sustained string tone play.

Jeff

Re: Question/Problem re: Pizzicato Patch/Sound On Kurzweil SP4-7 [Re: AnalogJeff] #2748839
07/02/18 05:59 PM
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I think that making the "decay rate" a parameter (set by the wheel position) is nice design.

Off the wall question:

. . . Does the "sustain" pedal have any effect on the "pizzicato" patch ?

If it does, that would give you some real-time control.

FWIW, I think that the sustain of a pizzicato, on a real violin, is quite short.


. Charles
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Re: Question/Problem re: Pizzicato Patch/Sound On Kurzweil SP4-7 [Re: AnalogJeff] #2750748
07/11/18 10:41 AM
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Interesting. Since I wrote this post, I have found out that for each patch, the mod wheel is configured for individual effects depending on the patch. Conversely, the engineers for the SP6 decided, after some customer feedback, to essentially make the mod wheel impose a vibrato consistently across the board on all patches. Individual effects are configured to the 4 knobs to the left of the LCD screen. I don't mind that the SP4 engineers did a patch by patch designation for the mod wheel. I just wish they had indicated what they did in the manual, or put that info up on the Kurzweil info pages for the SP4. Dave Weiser told me that the manual for the SP6 is better written than the SP4. He added that it was written by a musician rather than an engineer.

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