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Lesson Learned: Playing By Ear vs Sight Reading #2748374
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For any of you adult beginners, especially those who have pecked keys without any prior training, pick ONE method and stick with it. After rambling and getting stuck and giving up, I fully decided on PbyE. Saved me a lot of grief and frustration.

"The Secrets to Playing By Ear" by Jermaine Griggs helped A LOT. No affiliation whatsoever. He does use basic ledgers in some of his examples but most of the way ti's about chord progressions, intervals, inversions,and ear training. Easy to pick up as long as you follow along and stay focused his lessons.


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Re: Lesson Learned: Playing By Ear vs Sight Reading [Re: RhodesFanatic] #2748408
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Originally Posted by RhodesFanatic
For any of you adult beginners, especially those who have pecked keys without any prior training, pick ONE method and stick with it. After rambling and getting stuck and giving up, I fully decided on PbyE. Saved me a lot of grief and frustration.

"The Secrets to Playing By Ear" by Jermaine Griggs helped A LOT. No affiliation whatsoever. He does use basic ledgers in some of his examples but most of the way ti's about chord progressions, intervals, inversions,and ear training. Easy to pick up as long as you follow along and stay focused his lessons.


I am happy for you that you have found a method that works for you. Sticking with the piano is the key to progressing and enjoyment.

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Glad that it works for you, but this piece of advice is not something I would agree with.

Re: Lesson Learned: Playing By Ear vs Sight Reading [Re: RhodesFanatic] #2748457
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I would say exactly on the contrary. Try different methods. I played Alfred's all in one piano course way, way too long. I wish I had discovered all the stuff Albert doesn't talk about in their books earlier. Book 1 and book 2, and not a single word about phrasing. frown

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Re: Lesson Learned: Playing By Ear vs Sight Reading [Re: RhodesFanatic] #2748728
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The topic of playing by ear vs. reading music has been discussed before. Every have their way of learning their pieces. A few months ago went to a piano recital. This 9 year-old prodigy played an all Classical repertoire (Schubert, Mozart, Bach, etc.) for 40m entirely by memory. We assumed people who perform Classical music learn their pieces by reading. In a concert whether you have sheet music in front of you is irrelevant as long as you can get through the pieces.

Met a man a while ago who learned a few pieces of Classical music by watching video tutorials. He hated learning notations. Used to tell him if he is going to learn a 7m piece in 3 months would be easier for him to have the sheet music. He insisted music notations is a foreign language that would be too difficult to learn. Wouldn't even try reading an easy piece like "Mary Had a Little Lamb". Can't really say he has a learning disability. When you listen to him he plays his pieces very well but to this day still prefers to do the painstaking thing of watching people's hand patterns in videos.

A lot depends on the style of music you get into. With Classical people tend to associate reading music as a requirement. Some get to the point of being note-readers that they can't play a thing without the music in front. Some musicians can play both ways like reading through a piece and playing something improvised in the style of Chopin on the spot.

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Nice, fair balanced view, thepianoplayer416.

Thing is, in the long run both contribute to your musicianship in an important way, so the issue becomes less and less of an either / or.

The best thing is to be able to do both well. Many can too, so it's not like impossible or anything. Just takes time. The pendulum swings easily from one extreme to the other and the best solution seems to be somewhere in the middle.

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Originally Posted by thepianoplayer416
Met a man a while ago who learned a few pieces of Classical music by watching video tutorials. He hated learning notations. Used to tell him if he is going to learn a 7m piece in 3 months would be easier for him to have the sheet music. He insisted music notations is a foreign language that would be too difficult to learn. Wouldn't even try reading an easy piece like "Mary Had a Little Lamb". Can't really say he has a learning disability. When you listen to him he plays his pieces very well but to this day still prefers to do the painstaking thing of watching people's hand patterns in videos.

This reminds me of the boyfriend of a friend of my wife's. He is a globetrotting entrepreneur who runs a string of companies who has a number of odd ideas. For example, he prides himself on running all of his companies from the road out of a single suitcase, which is so efficiently packed, he would put George Clooney's character in the movie "Up in the Air", to shame - probably one of the first digital "nomads".

But related to your tale about the anti-reading acquaintance, this person is a polyglot and knows to speak 10+ languages including Russian and Mandarin Chinese, however has never picked up a language book or learned to read these languages. That's because his entire purpose for learning languages is communication and culture. And reading/writing or even normal language learning systems are completely uninteresting to him. Instead, he dives in trying to communicate with people who don't know any of his other 9 languages and muddles through in this manner until he is fluent in their language. What he lacks in grammar and language structure though, he makes up in joie de vivre and and unmatchable ease in communicating -- almost like a child, with nothing holding him back in trying out new languages and expressing what is on his mind in a new language he has never spoken before. As an example, my wife's friend only speaks Mandarin Chinese and French, and yet neither is is first language, but he has no problems at all communicating with her quite freely. My wife and I tested his Chinese and Russian, and it was very impressive mastered, although he would not be able to read a single word of either language, nor would he want to.


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Re: Lesson Learned: Playing By Ear vs Sight Reading [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2748822
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
But related to your tale about the anti-reading acquaintance, this person is a polyglot and knows to speak 10+ languages including Russian and Mandarin Chinese, however has never picked up a language book or learned to read these languages. That's because his entire purpose for learning languages is communication and culture. And reading/writing or even normal language learning systems are completely uninteresting to him. Instead, he dives in trying to communicate with people who don't know any of his other 9 languages and muddles through in this manner until he is fluent in their language. What he lacks in grammar and language structure though, he makes up in joie de vivre and and unmatchable ease in communicating -- almost like a child, with nothing holding him back in trying out new languages and expressing what is on his mind in a new language he has never spoken before. As an example, my wife's friend only speaks Mandarin Chinese and French, and yet neither is is first language, but he has no problems at all communicating with her quite freely. My wife and I tested his Chinese and Russian, and it was very impressive mastered, although he would not be able to read a single word of either language, nor would he want to.

That's interesting but to be frank I find it quite stupid and limiting. Even if his purpose is just communicating with people reading and writing are pretty much necessary in the modern world. How would he read signs or a map to get around in a foreign country? How would he order things? People want to communicate online or through mobile devices too, and they do that in writing. It seems what he's doing only works if speaking with foreigner in his own country, which is a rather sad use of speaking 10 languages.


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Re: Lesson Learned: Playing By Ear vs Sight Reading [Re: Qazsedcft] #2748835
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That's interesting but to be frank I find it quite stupid and limiting. Even if his purpose is just communicating with people reading and writing are pretty much necessary in the modern world. How would he read signs or a map to get around in a foreign country? How would he order things? People want to communicate online or through mobile devices too, and they do that in writing. It seems what he's doing only works if speaking with foreigner in his own country, which is a rather sad use of speaking 10 languages.

I personally agree with you. I have two languages I've been pecking away at these last several years myself, for which the sole purpose is to be able to read native-language literature. But if I were to describe what I think his rationale is, it is that he doesn't care much about functional literacy. As an affluent traveler, he really doesn't need to be functionally literate in any language except English to be able to make do. I directly know this from having worked in countries which speak languages very different from English. He does not really need to read street signs (and would probably prefer asking people where he is in their language anyways), he does not need to read a map, and I imagine if he can transliterate the language into Latin alphabet, people would still understand him. My wife and I transliterate other languages into the Latin alphabet all the time, and I myself have never encountered a problem. I just speculate that the problems you identify don't prove to be roadblocks for him. His entire goal though is sharing of ideas, for which I suppose he has decided requires him to speak other languages. I suppose that if he meets goal, then he is content, even though he continues to be functionally illiterate in those languages he is learning.


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Re: Lesson Learned: Playing By Ear vs Sight Reading [Re: RhodesFanatic] #2748838
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I respect the OP's choice, but I'm not happy seeing this presented as advice. If one can get a balance between hearing/ear and reading that is probably the best of two worlds, and they are interrelated anyway.

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I'd say that if you have absolutely no interest in classical or in using lead sheets, and just want to be able to play what you've heard in your own way (however basic), there's no need to be able to read music. Lots of folk, pop, rock and jazz musicians get by without ever learning to read music.

The downside of course, is that you can never play anything you haven't heard before. A bit like relying totally on someone else reading 'War and Peace' (or 'Fifty Shades of Grey', depending on your predilection) to you, if you want to know the story. OK, there's always the movie...... wink

As for languages, I can speak four languages fairly fluently but only read & write in one easily. What little I learnt to read & write of the other three had long ago been lost from disuse. But there are two other languages which I can probably read more easily than I can speak, which is fine because I rarely ever have to speak in those languages.......


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Re: Lesson Learned: Playing By Ear vs Sight Reading [Re: bennevis] #2748873
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Originally Posted by bennevis
As for languages, I can speak four languages fairly fluently but only read & write in one easily.

Are you including English? Because if so, I am reading fluent English here, which means your native language must have been neglected. And that is just frown


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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As for languages, I can speak four languages fairly fluently but only read & write in one easily.

Are you including English? Because if so, I am reading fluent English here, which means your native language must have been neglected. And that is just frown

Yes, my native language has long been neglected, because no-one uses it here in the UK, where I have been living for most of my life..........


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I would say exactly on the contrary. Try different methods. I played Alfred's all in one piano course way, way too long. I wish I had discovered all the stuff Albert doesn't talk about in their books earlier. Book 1 and book 2, and not a single word about phrasing. frown


I am finding Alfred's quite *cough* boring as all get out *cough*. All of the arrangements are so weird!

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Originally Posted by JazzyMac
I am finding Alfred's quite *cough* boring as all get out *cough*. All of the arrangements are so weird!


Yes, it is soooo boring! In retrospect I wish I had started with a more exciting course. But it is never too late and I have so much more fun now when playing. smile

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I am finding Alfred's quite *cough* boring as all get out *cough*. All of the arrangements are so weird!


Yes, it is soooo boring! In retrospect I wish I had started with a more exciting course. But it is never too late and I have so much more fun now when playing. smile

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I am finding Alfred's quite *cough* boring as all get out *cough*. All of the arrangements are so weird!


Yes, it is soooo boring! In retrospect I wish I had started with a more exciting course. But it is never too late and I have so much more fun now when playing. smile

When I began my formal lessons, I had played using an online tutorial and largely by ear for a couple of months. Managed to figure out a few songs I like, and played a little for my teacher during my first lesson. He was impressed, but did caution me that I might get a little...bored with Alfred’s. However, it forces me to learn the basics. He keeps things interesting by giving me songs to learn and then building upon them. I have to say Alfred’s is pretty dry, but it also can be frustratingly difficult.

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Originally Posted by bennevis

The downside of course, is that you can never play anything you haven't heard before. .

The downside of NOT being a memoriser is that you always have to have the music in front of you.

Everyone is different in what they can or cannot do, so there is no one solution. Indeed, there are a myriad of 'solutions'.


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I find myself reading a lot more than memorizing, quite the opposite of when I first started. If the only thing I could do was play by ear, then I wouldn't be able to play anything smile My ear training highlight last week was figuring out maybe the first 16 notes of star wars by ear. But some of them were wrong and my teacher had to correct me, haha.


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Originally Posted by Colin Miles
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The downside of course, is that you can never play anything you haven't heard before. .

The downside of NOT being a memoriser is that you always have to have the music in front of you.

I wasn't aware of anyone mentioning memorising here, let alone the OP. I believe he was talking about playing from reading sheet music v not learning to read at all.

But as I've mentioned lots of times, I never memorised anything until eight years ago, yet I had no difficulty playing for hours on the Bösendorfer Imperial in Vienna that I "came across" in my travels - simply based on snippets (often just a bar here & there) of Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Chopin, Brahms, Liszt and Rachmaninov that I'd once learnt and all but forgotten - with not a snippet of sheet music in sight.


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Originally Posted by bennevis
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The downside of course, is that you can never play anything you haven't heard before. .

The downside of NOT being a memoriser is that you always have to have the music in front of you.

I wasn't aware of anyone mentioning memorising here, let alone the OP. I believe he was talking about playing from reading sheet music v not learning to read at all.

But as I've mentioned lots of times, I never memorised anything until eight years ago, yet I had no difficulty playing for hours on the Bösendorfer Imperial in Vienna that I "came across" in my travels - simply based on snippets (often just a bar here & there) of Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Chopin, Brahms, Liszt and Rachmaninov that I'd once learnt and all but forgotten - with not a snippet of sheet music in sight.

Not reading usually doesn't necessarily preclude the ability to read. I have a good friend who started Suzuki at 5yo. I remember high school with him and he seemed to be able to play almost any song by ear and improvise on the spot -- mostly in high school, we were interested in popular music and rock, and so he was popular at any party where there was a piano. I actually never saw him with any sheet music. However years later, when we had some business together, I remember being at his house and on his grand was some sheet music. I asked him if he played the piece set up on his piano, and he immediately started playing it although he never bothered turning the page so I assume his memorizations hadn't failed him. Could it be possible that children who are taught to memorize music at an early age find it easier to memorize than people who try to develop this skill later in life?

I don't see why people who play by ear shouldn't also learn to read music. I started learning myself in February this year, and if I was to add up all the time I spent learning to "read" music, I think 60 minutes total would be generous, so I think anyone of average aptitude should be able to quickly do it. Unlike learning to read/write a foreign language, reading music is not rocket science. (Reading it quickly while you are trying to also direct your fingers is the rocket science! laugh )


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Originally Posted by bennevis
The downside of course, is that you can never play anything you haven't heard before. ......


Notation is a wonderful useful thing. But there's more to music than can be contained in notation. For instance, the music of Cole Porter played back by a notation program may be recognizable, but it's clearly not right.


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The downside of course, is that you can never play anything you haven't heard before. ......


Notation is a wonderful useful thing. But there's more to music than can be contained in notation. For instance, the music of Cole Porter played back by a notation program may be recognizable, but it's clearly not right.



If you're familiar with a certain genre, it's easy to get into the 'swing' of it.

When I sing pop songs, accompanying myself on the guitar, I don't sing right 'on the beat' - similarly, when I play pop or jazz from lead sheets or fully-notated arrangements.

In fact, even playing something like Gershwin's Prelude No.2, you can swing it......


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Originally Posted by RhodesFanatic
... pick ONE method and stick with it ...

This is the advice the OP was trying to get across before the thread got hijacked. It’s pretty good advice. I’d even amend it and say - ... pick ONE method and finish it ...

(yeah, yeah I know, it’s never finished, but it’s still a good guiding principle)


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Originally Posted by RhodesFanatic
... pick ONE method and stick with it ...

This is the advice the OP was trying to get across before the thread got hijacked. It’s pretty good advice. I’d even amend it and say - ... pick ONE method and finish it ...

(yeah, yeah I know, it’s never finished, but it’s still a good guiding principle)


It's only good advice if it works. We are all different and sometimes alternating between different methods will be the answer. But all methods require practice.


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Re: Lesson Learned: Playing By Ear vs Sight Reading [Re: Colin Miles] #2750909
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Originally Posted by Colin Miles
... sometimes alternating between different methods will be the answer ...

I agree, studying from multiple methods is a great strategy, but at some point it’s important to finish one.


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Re: Lesson Learned: Playing By Ear vs Sight Reading [Re: RhodesFanatic] #2750950
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The title of the thread says "Playing By Ear vs Sight Reading". I'd absolutely *not* recommend picking only one of those two. Both are extremely valuable, and incomplete.


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Re: Lesson Learned: Playing By Ear vs Sight Reading [Re: RhodesFanatic] #2750973
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The idea of choosing between playing by ear and playing from a score makes sense only perhaps for people with very limited time to practice and low aspirations. Both are definitely desirable.

Only a few great jazz musicians couldn't read music, and all good classical musicians(except for one-off examples like some blind pianists)can read music.

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The idea of choosing between playing by ear and playing from a score makes sense only perhaps for people with very limited time to practice and low aspirations. Both are definitely desirable.

Only a few great jazz musicians couldn't read music, and all good classical musicians(except for one-off examples like some blind pianists)can read music.

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