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Re: KAWAI ES110-ES8-MP7SE keys issues: Solved! LDT the culprit! [Re: Vadesriux] #2744721
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Hi Lophi.
Best thing you can do, if you have the chance (which I had not) is to go to a shop, buy directly there and before leaving ask to open the box and try all the keys for yourself before leaving. There is no better (safer) way.

One thing I can tell you. The quality of the Kawai piano sample is so good and true to a real piano playing and sounding, that is worth it. By far. I have tried all the big brands digital pianos and Kawai is unbeatable in reproducing the sound and dynamics of a true acoustic piano playing and sounding.
The next is with no doubt Yamaha, if you like the CFX / CFSIII sound and expressiveness.

I have Abel Mendoza "Worship Essentials" for Mainstage 3, and when you turn off the piano sound (Logic Pro Steinway piano sample) and let the ES110 piano sound play alongside the pads and strings, you simply cannot believe in your ears. It is THAT good.

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Re: KAWAI ES110-ES8-MP7SE keys issues: Solved! LDT the culprit! [Re: Vadesriux] #2744803
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Hi Eduardo,
Did you give Pianoteq a try?

Re: KAWAI ES110-ES8-MP7SE keys issues: Solved! LDT the culprit! [Re: lophiomys] #2744822
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Originally Posted by lophiomys
Hi Eduardo,
Did you give Pianoteq a try?

Yes I did. If you like its modelled sounds that's fine. To me, nothing comes closer to a real piano sound unless it is directly sampled from a real piano.

I am sure lots of other guys here will swear by CFX plugin or Alicia Keys, or The Grandeur. Dont get me wrong. These are all great software emulations of pianos. But again, so is the Roland emulations and they dont come close to real samples.

But ones ear is ones ear! :o)


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Re: KAWAI ES110-ES8-MP7SE keys issues: Solved! LDT the culprit! [Re: Vadesriux] #2744824
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Originally Posted by Vadesriux
I am sure lots of other guys here will swear by CFX plugin or Alicia Keys, or The Grandeur. Dont get me wrong. These are all great software emulations of pianos.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but all three VSTs you mentioned here are sampled pianos, not modelled like Pianoteq.

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Re: KAWAI ES110-ES8-MP7SE keys issues: Solved! LDT the culprit! [Re: JoBert] #2744826
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Originally Posted by JoBert
Originally Posted by Vadesriux
I am sure lots of other guys here will swear by CFX plugin or Alicia Keys, or The Grandeur. Dont get me wrong. These are all great software emulations of pianos.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but all three VSTs you mentioned here are sampled pianos, not modelled like Pianoteq.

If so I apologise.

Nevertheless I have tried them all and woudn't trade the Kawai piano sound for any of those.

But I understand our ears and perceiveness of sound is quite different from one to another, of course.


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Re: KAWAI ES110-ES8-MP7SE keys issues: Solved! LDT the culprit! [Re: Vadesriux] #2744859
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Originally Posted by Vadesriux

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Nevertheless I have tried them all and woudn't trade the Kawai piano sound for any of those.
...

Lucky you. smile

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Re: KAWAI ES110-ES8-MP7SE keys issues: Solved! LDT the culprit! [Re: Vadesriux] #2744867
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Indeed.
Personally, I wasn't too impressed with the ES110 in the shop.


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Re: KAWAI ES110-ES8-MP7SE keys issues: Solved! LDT the culprit! [Re: Vadesriux] #2744891
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Why don't you make a weeked trip by car to Lisbon or Madrid and try out a bunch of digital pianos. Then bring a functioning one back home in your own car?

Call before leaving, but Madrid has over 6 million people so there must be a few Kawai dealers with decent stock.

This might not be so easy if (when) the Euro disappears and borders are re-established across Europe.

Re: KAWAI ES110-ES8-MP7SE keys issues: Solved! LDT the culprit! [Re: Vadesriux] #2746093
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I too am looking at the Kawai ES110 vs. the Roland FP 30, and I keep reading about keyboard issues with the Kawai only...whether it is normal key rebound noise (as I asked about on this forum), but more importantly friction or rubbing or nonfunctional keys or whatever. So, would I be correct in assuming that, despite the general feeling that the Kawai ES110 in the under $1000 DP price range may have the best sound and action, that the keyboard mechanism is either the most prone to manufacturing defects and/or the most prone to damage during shipping?

And if so, that I would be much better off, should I decide to go with the Kawai, to pay the extra money to buy locally at a slightly higher price and pay 10% sales tax in WA and cart it down to my vacation home (as opposed to buying online and having it shipped untried to the Oregon house and save sales tax) so that I can make sure in the store that the unit is unpacked, plugged in, and every key tried and then packed back up again and taken with me, etc.? So that I can avoid the incredible inconvenience of what sounds like potentially as many as several returns via UPS down in Oregon?

And does this in any way portend future problems with a keyboard that may be more prone to issues over time, or is it just prone to manufacturing issues so that, once you find a good one free of defects, you will be ok?

This has just introduced a new level of pain into the process.

Re: KAWAI ES110-ES8-MP7SE keys issues: Solved! LDT the culprit! [Re: Vadesriux] #2746739
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Or just go with the Roland!

Re: KAWAI ES110-ES8-MP7SE keys issues: Solved! LDT the culprit! [Re: Vadesriux] #2746768
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I finally settled with my Kawai ES110. After 3 swaps finally one which keybed is okay. If it develops noises further down the road I will send it to fix or call a Kawai guy.

But after all this you know what? It was worth it. The sound, accuracy and lightness of its key action - to me - is worth it because it is the best I have ever tried.
If however you want a keybed with a little more weight when pressing the keys, choose the ES8 or MP7SE.
To me I like a lighter action the most.

Now its up to you!

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Re: KAWAI ES110-ES8-MP7SE keys issues: Solved! LDT the culprit! [Re: Vadesriux] #2746785
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This reminds me of my ES100 sent via DHL from a well known European online music store about four years ago.

While all keys were working fine, their velocity output was weirdly reduced to a range of 100 instead of 127 and as a result everything just sounded dull, regardless of the touch setting. So after doing numerous factory resets and MIDI remapping tests I returned it. Of course, the store didn't find any problems and returned it back to me again with a MIDI-OX test protocol proving that my ES100 can produce the full velocity range. Strangely enough after going through the torture of shipping three times, the piano suddenly was working at my home, too. I didn't even have to hook it up to my computer to check, because the tonal difference was immediately audible at the first notes played.

After that episode nothing changed during the almost four years of use. Some notes are a bit louder than others and occasionally it's losing some lubricant through one of the bottom screw holes on hot days, but longevity doesn't seem to be an issue for the AHA-IV-F action of the ES100. Meanwhile it also survived a move by a professional moving company. Everything is still working fine.


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Re: KAWAI ES110-ES8-MP7SE keys issues: Solved! LDT the culprit! [Re: Vadesriux] #2748303
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Hello, my ES110 came this week- this is going to be my travel board. I am getting an exchange- the 2nd to last Aflat did make a click/thump twice but havent heard since then. However A4 sometimes gets stuck a little or doesn't completely go down perfectly to hit the 127 velocity it seems. Then other times it is okay.

I've had to return the P105 before 2X, PX350 1x- the SP280 at some point made clicking noises- part could be to due shipping/UPS.
I like the piano in general, it sounds great (ES110) with headphones as well as combined with my Electrovoice ZXa90


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