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Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano #2747696
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It's strange that I still didn't hear anything about this model on this forum.




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Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: AlexBltn] #2747701
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Looks pretty new? Yamaha don't seem to have an active rep on this forum so there's no 'yamaha announces blah blah' posts like there are for kawai.

Looks like a sort of clp645 in portable form - can't see a price yet on bonners, or anywhere else for that matter?

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Originally Posted by Bambers
Yamaha don't seem to have an active rep on this forum so there's no 'yamaha announces blah blah' posts like there are for kawai.

I thought this model was already known for a while. Personally, I first heard about it in April's Musikmesse 2018. And I don't remember cases when digital piano models were available to some sellers already on the day of their announcement (if it was announced today or yesterday).

By the way Roland and Yamaha both have portable pianos with keys, which at least look like wooden (someone will tell this is fake, but I like this look and feel). Interesting, will Kawai ES8's successor still have the same plastic RH3 keyboard action… Yes, there's Kawai MP11/SE with real wooden keys, but this is professional stage piano, not portable (with built-in speakers, dedicated stand and some interesting features for normal home user, which are missing in MP11/SE).

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Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: AlexBltn] #2747720
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Originally Posted by AlexBltn
And I don't remember cases when digital piano models were available to some sellers already on the day of their announcement (if it was announced today or yesterday).


Well that was kind of my point, since yamaha have no rep on here to wheel out the fanfare like kawai do then this is perhaps less likely to get discussion until someone happens to be in the market for a portable DP and mentions it.

Also my general impression is here is that this sector doesn't seem to generate much excitement on these boards. Doesn't mean it's not popular or discussed but there's not really anything new for folk to get excited over and dissect. The tech involved is largely already in existence in the consoles, it's just been packaged up in a portable form, unlike something like the RD2000 etc which has a million and one things to mess about with.

Seems about time though, the P255 was a bit of a dinosaur and well overdue replacement.

Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: AlexBltn] #2747731
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This looks like a great product, with similar specs to the CLP-645, but in slab form. I hope Yamaha brings it to the US and prices it right.

Here are some details from Bonners:
NWX action (wood + synthetic ivory/ebony)
40 voices built-in including CFX and Bosendorfer pianos, plus 480 XG voices available (through the Smart Pianist app?)
VRM, string resonance, half pedal adjustment, etc.
40 rhythms
30W x 4 speakers
MIDI in/out, USB to host and device, Bluetooth, etc.
Optional integrated stand and 3-pedal unit

The only negative I noticed is that they bundle the FC4 on/off pedal with it, not the FC3A continuous pedal -- just as they do with the P-255. I guess they want you to spring for the optional 3-pedal unit, the damper pedal of which is continuous.

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Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: AlexBltn] #2747734
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P. S. epianos.co.uk has a price of GBP 1,310 for the slab alone, with stand (GBP 157) and pedal unit (GBP 72) as optional extras.

Chris from epianos also has a couple of videos up on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut7b5cI6maI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoS8cMY5DXo


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Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: AlexBltn] #2747749
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Nice, about time there was a p-255 replacement! Specs seem right on the ball too, and imo it brings Yamaha in line with the more expensive, higher quality segment (es8/fp90).

I wonder if a cp4/cp40 update is imminent, too.


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Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: AlexBltn] #2747756
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Kraft Music just put it on their website, pre-order for shipping this September.

Price for the slab alone is $1,500, with the usual optional Kraft bundles, some of which add to the base price. No word yet on a bundle with the furniture-style stand and 3-pedal unit, but I'm sure that is in the works.

That means the P-515 is $200 more than the P-255. I always felt that the P-255 was overpriced for what it offered, but the P-515 adds a lot more.

Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: AlexBltn] #2747758
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b&h has a preorder price of $1,499.99

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...N8VvevE87HtezGdR5OjF9jLrKAQaAr-QEALw_wcB

edit: weighs 22kg / 48.5 lbs.

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Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: AlexBltn] #2747771
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Yamaha doesn't yet have the P-515 on its website, but I found an owner's manual online, from which I extracted the more important specs:

Dimensions (W x D x H): 1336 mm x 376 mm x 145 mm (52-5/8" x 14-13/16" x 5-11/16")
Weight: 22.0 kg (48 lb, 8 oz)

NWX (Natural Wood X) keyboard: wooden keys (white only), synthetic ebony and ivory keytops, escapement

Display Type: Full Dots LCD
Size: 128 x 64 dots

Piano Sound: Yamaha CFX, Bösendorfer Imperial
Binaural Sampling: Yes
VRM: Yes
Key-off Samples: Yes
Smooth Release: Yes
Polyphony (max.): 256
Preset Number of Voices: 40 Voices + 18 Drum/SFX Kits + 480 XG Voices

Songs (MIDI):
Preset: 21 Voice Demo Songs + 50 Classics
Recording: Number of Songs 250
Number of Tracks: 16
Format Playback: SMF (Format 0, Format 1)
Recording: SMF (Format 0)

Songs (Audio):
Format Playback: WAV (44.1 kHz, 16 bit, Stereo)
Recording: WAV (44.1 kHz, 16 bit, Stereo)

Rhythms Preset: 40

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Piano Room

Internal Memory: Total maximum size approx. 1.4 MB
External Device: USB flash drive

Connectivity:
DC IN 16 V
Headphones: Standard stereo phone jack (x 2)
MIDI IN, OUT
AUX IN Stereo mini jack
AUX OUT L/L+R, R
AUX PEDAL: Yes
PEDAL UNIT: Yes
USB TO DEVICE: Yes
USB TO HOST: Yes

Sound System: Amplifiers (15 W + 5 W) x 2
Speakers: (Oval (12 cm x 6 cm) + 2.5 cm (dome)) x 2

Included Accessories:
• Power cord, AC adaptor PA-300C
• Footswitch FC4A
• Music Rest

Separately Sold Accessories:
• Keyboard Stand L-515
• Pedal Unit LP-1
• USB Wireless LAN Adaptor UD-WL01
• Wireless MIDI Adaptor UD-BT01/MD-BT01

Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: Gombessa] #2747782
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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Nice, about time there was a p-255 replacement! Specs seem right on the ball too, and imo it brings Yamaha in line with the more expensive, higher quality segment (es8/fp90).

I wonder if a cp4/cp40 update is imminent, too.


looks like the p255 was brought out about the same time as the cp4!?

would be very nice if this signaled an upcoming cp4 replacement.
hopefully even lighter than the 38 lbs. of the cp4!


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Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: AlexBltn] #2747790
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This might finally be the long awaited CP-300 replacement. It would be nice to see a Yamaha slab wth beefy speakers that weighs less than 70 lbs.

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Looks really interesting, and I'm really looking forward to seeing it in person. Although what really stood out for me is the blocky pixelated display! Seriously -- a keyboard in this class where it's so pixelated that the icons look like Super Mario on a Commodore 64? Check out the piano icon at 3:16 in the Bonners video.

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From the display it looked lika a MP7 with speakers and less buttons to me.

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This is first time in a long time, where Yamaha put out a portable piano with speakers, competitive against es8


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Yamaha P515, £1540 complete wi fancy ES8 (type) stand, triple pedal, stool and h/phones. Not saying where. Good For Musing.


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Yamaha just sent me an "Introducing the All-New P-515 Digital Piano" email, with a link to the information on their US website. They seem excited about it ... ha!

https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/pianos/p_series/p-515/index.html#product-tabs

The web pages merely confirm what we already know, but there are some nice detailed photos.


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Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: Lotus1] #2747903
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Originally Posted by Lotus1
Here are some details from Bonners:
30W x 4 speakers

Originally Posted by Lotus1
Yamaha doesn't yet have the P-515 on its website, but I found an owner's manual online, from which I extracted the more important specs:
Sound System: Amplifiers (15 W + 5 W) x 2
Speakers: (Oval (12 cm x 6 cm) + 2.5 cm (dome)) x 2

Discrepency there...

Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: AlexBltn] #2747906
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Yes, I noticed that. Bonners is wrong on a couple of points: the amplifier wattage (it is 40W in total, not 30W) and the number of tracks for recording (it is 16, not 2).

Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: AlexBltn] #2747917
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AlexBltn, thanks sharing this info. The P-515 looks very promising.

Regarding this comment:

Originally Posted by AlexBltn
I thought this model was already known for a while. Personally, I first heard about it in April's Musikmesse 2018.


May I ask if you work for Yamaha, or have some kind of connection with the company?

As far as I am aware, information about this new model was shared with Yamaha dealers only very recently.

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Hello, Kawai James,
As you can see, this video is available since April.
This is quite good Russian-speaking YouTube channel about digital pianos.

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Thank you Alex. Yes, I've watched some videos on that channel before.

I do not understand Russian, but was able to interpret the automatically generated and then translated captions well enough to understand that the models the presenter refers to were not shown to the public. Despite this, I'm a little surprised that Yamaha allowed the video to be uploaded...assuming they were aware it was produced. I certainly do not recall seeing any English/German-language videos from Musikmesse 2018 referring to the P-515.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
I'm a little surprised that Yamaha allowed the video to be uploaded

This is the power of Slavic girls. )

Originally Posted by Kawai James
information about this new model was shared with Yamaha dealers only very recently.

Didn't know this fact 'cause I don't work for Yamaha. wink

Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: anotherscott] #2747990
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Originally Posted by anotherscott
This might finally be the long awaited CP-300 replacement. It would be nice to see a Yamaha slab wth beefy speakers that weighs less than 70 lbs.


No, the CP300 has a C at the start which makes all the difference: it is a stage piano with speakers. The P515 isn't built in any way for the stage - hence it's simplified GUI and lack of functionality. I doubt Yamaha will create another CP400 for a decade or so.

It's built to compete with the FP90 and ES8. Both these instruments are bare spec pianos with similar sounds etc.

This morning I listened to the P125 demos and the P515 demos. They sound almost identical piano sound wise when recorded through audio out.
The main improvement on the Yamaha P515 is the action: the NWX action is a better action than the Graded Hammer (GH) action on the P255. Also, Yamaha have added an extra 10 Watts of amplification. This puts it 10 Watts ahead of the Kawai ES8 and 20 Watts behind the FP90. With the FP90's superior dynamic control and Kawai's superb piano sampling, I still feel Yamaha's piano tone is batting down the order.

The fact remains that this action is still behind it's competitors on action; however, I imagine from Yamaha's POV, they think they're being really generous putting the NWX action in there.

How do I like the NWX action?

Digital Actions (not including real piano actions):
1) Grand Feel II
2) Grand Feel 1
3) RM3 Grand II
4) PHA50
5) RH3
6) GrandTouch
7) RH2
8) PHAIV professional
9) NWX
10) PHAIII

I think that's a fair ranking of digital actions. I put the NWX at 9 because of it's heavier weight and sluggishness remind me of the feel of the PHAIII action (just without the bottom squidginess). Yamaha really should take a leaf out of Roland's book and make one best effort digital action then put it in almost everything over £1000, that way they'd save on tooling and manufacturing duplication. If Yamaha had put the GrandTouch Keyboard in this and charged us for it, we'd still be thinking, no I'd rather have an MP11 and add some amplification.

For me, if you want a CFX on a portable piano, pick up the Roland and add the Garrritan CFX VSTi; or, if you love the Kawai ePianos and Piano sample sound, pick up the ES8, and the iLoud monitors to bring up the amplification and use the Garritan CFX VSTi.

The problem here for me is that as others have pointed out: this is CLP645 technology being put into the P series and it's just not that impressive: it's a C+ effort from my point of view. You get a CFX sample and a Bosendorfer sample: both of which sound almost identical to the same sounds in the P125, the CLP6XX series etc. I'm not sure I can hear any evolution of the Yamaha CFX sample from the 6 series CLP range, which for me is a pleasant sound but nothing to get over excited about---it still has some characteristics of the old AWM piano sound, which I feel is too dated. Yamaha have evolved their AWM engine, first into the SCM (Spectral Component Modeling) + AWM2, then this became rebranded into the Pure CF Sound Engine (exactly the same sampling technology but used to sample the CFX grand), which has now evolved in marketing speak into the Yamaha CFX, Bösendorfer Imperial, "CFX Binaural Sampling" with resonance modelling (basically SCM). Now for those who notice the word Binaural, this only works with headphones on i.e., with both ears isolated from the other sound source, so no benefit when played through speakers.

Put another way: this isn't great innovation from Yamaha
The small boys are working hard: Nord has a gigabyte of piano memory. Korg's GrandStage piano sound has bridged some of the gap with VSTi makers by increasing to 10 velocity layers. Dexibell has pushed the boat out further with 24-bit and 48-KHz technology and no polyphony limit. Roland reinvented piano modelling. Pianoteq have developed a whole gamut of impressive instrument models, not only piano.

Don't get me wrong, I like the sound, it's ok, but it feels like evolution not revolution and it seems like all the actual technological improvements are being conducted by all the other manufacturers, with Yamaha being always slightly behind the technology curve. That's why when they released this yesterday, I was listening to the Bonners music demo without a single positive emotion crossing into my consciousness.

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Originally Posted by Doug M.

it's a C+ effort from my point of view.

Really? While I agree that "this isn't great innovation from Yamaha", I think that rating it a C+ effort is pretty harsh. It is a huge improvement over the P-255, which it replaces, e.g., going from a 2-sensor plastic GH action to a 3-sensor wood/plastic + escapement NWX action. I bet there was a battle within Yamaha whether to use GH3X or even GH3 instead. Also, the metal 3-pedal option is significantly better than the dreadful plastic 3-pedal option on the P-255.

Originally Posted by Doug M.

Yamaha really should take a leaf out of Roland's book and make one best effort digital action then put it in almost everything over £1000, that way they'd save on tooling and manufacturing duplication.


There is no chance that Yamaha will standardize on one action, as their philosophy is to differentiate between pianos based first on action, then on other features. Most piano players prioritize, and are willing to pay for, better actions, so standardizing actions makes little sense. And as a much larger company than Roland, I expect that Yamaha has greater cost efficiencies.

Originally Posted by Doug M.

You get a CFX sample and a Bosendorfer sample: both of which sound almost identical to the same sounds in the P125, the CLP6XX series etc. ... Yamaha have evolved their AWM engine, first into the SCM (Spectral Component Modeling) + AWM2, then this became rebranded into the Pure CF Sound Engine (exactly the same sampling technology but used to sample the CFX grand)


Note that the Pure CF sound engine, used in the P-125 and DGX-660, does not have CFX or Bosendorfer samples. It samples the older CFIIIS grand piano. I don't know what Yamaha calls the sound engine in the P-515, but it has VRM, string resonance, key off, etc., that its lower priced pianos do not have.

Originally Posted by Doug M.

It's built to compete with the FP90 and ES8. Both these instruments are bare spec pianos with similar sounds etc.


The P-515 includes 480 XG voices and 18 drum kits, so it is no bare bones piano. The connectivity and app options are excellent, and it is priced lower than the Roland FP-90 and Kawai ES8. Count me impressed (and a bit surprised) with this product from Yamaha.

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Lotus1 - fully agree. Doug's post was more of the usual (often inaccurate) Yamaha bashing.


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Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: EssBrace] #2748006
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I think it’s a great piano, I can’t wait to try it.


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Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: Doug M.] #2748039
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Originally Posted by Doug M.


Digital Actions (not including real piano actions):
1) Grand Feel II
2) Grand Feel 1
3) RM3 Grand II
4) PHA50
5) RH3
6) GrandTouch
7) RH2
8) PHAIV professional
9) NWX
10) PHAIII

I think that's a fair ranking...


Perceptions are subjective. You put PHA50 fourth in the ranking and PHA III last. But aren't they basically the same model with some incremental changes? Certainly, they seem similar in touch to me, except that they've improved the noisy action problem with the newer action. And both those Roland actions are snappy and responsive compared to Kawai RH, which I found sluggish and gloopy. (however, I can't speak for RH II and III)

Regarding Yamaha DP s in general, I think I agree with essbrace: they may be slow to innovate but they do make agreeable-sounding, well built and reliable instruments. They are widely used professionally and in education. Surely those customers are not mistaken.


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Re: Yamaha P-515 portable digital piano [Re: Lotus1] #2748044
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Originally Posted by Lotus1
This looks like a great product, with similar specs to the CLP-645, but in slab form. I hope Yamaha brings it to the US and prices it right.

Here are some details from Bonners:
NWX action (wood + synthetic ivory/ebony)
40 voices built-in including CFX and Bosendorfer pianos, plus 480 XG voices available (through the Smart Pianist app?)
VRM, string resonance, half pedal adjustment, etc.
40 rhythms
30W x 4 speakers
MIDI in/out, USB to host and device, Bluetooth, etc.
Optional integrated stand and 3-pedal unit

The only negative I noticed is that they bundle the FC4 on/off pedal with it, not the FC3A continuous pedal -- just as they do with the P-255. I guess they want you to spring for the optional 3-pedal unit, the damper pedal of which is continuous.


According to Bonners music the P515 is the mobile version of the CLP-645

But in opposite to the 645 it fully supports the Smart Pianist APP

Which allows you to do almost everything you would do on the high end CVP series..
With a superb graphical screen.
Graphical piano edditing
Arranger features
Sheet music reading
Song mode

Roland has something simmular
And i think this is what sells piano’s to the youth..
They turn it into a fullfledged musical workstation, yet still a piano at its chore..
I guess we know what the future holds for us
Kawai missed the boat on this so far it seems(unless i am mistaken)
Which makes this instrument the direct competitor to the Roland FP-90 in many european music stores.

For me, if they ever release a CP4 replacement with this app, i might feel an urge to buy it to replace my Kronos and pa4x...

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