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Telemann Fantasia No. 2 in D minor #2747089
06/25/18 11:57 PM
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Typically(?), a D minor piece would be written with 1 flat in the key signature, but here there is none and all the B flats are written out:
http://conquest.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/3/35/IMSLP222053-WIMA.bbc1-telf1.pdf

It's the same way in a book I have and I also checked on IMSLP a PDF scan of a "complete score, early impression" so it's not just this editor. Are there more B naturals than B flats, making it easier to have B natural as a "default"? Is it easier mentally when written one way than another? Is it not really D minor? (but doesn't sound Dorian because of the C# leading tone) Thanks for any thoughts!

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Re: Telemann Fantasia No. 2 in D minor [Re: mostlystrings] #2747126
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I don't know why this is so, but there are a lot of examples like Bach's sonata for violin and cembalo in c minor where he wrote only 2 flats and therefore has to fill in every a flat "by hand". I even saw an edition that supplies the "missing" flat. Funnily, this is only found in minor keys with flats - logically, a piece in f# minor should have 4 sharps, but this I have never seen. The Telemann is really d minor, of course! Just like if you wrote a piece in E major and chose not to write any key signature at all, it would still be in E major.

Re: Telemann Fantasia No. 2 in D minor [Re: mostlystrings] #2747142
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In minor key works, it's expedient for Baroque composers to reduce the number of flats because they use the ascending melodic minor scale (where the sixth & seventh are both sharpened) so frequently. Makes sight-reading easier.

Musicians frequently sight-read in performance in those days wink . How else could they perform a brand new half-hour long cantata every week (not to mention poor JSB having to supply the goods......)?


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Re: Telemann Fantasia No. 2 in D minor [Re: mostlystrings] #2747779
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Thanks, I thought it might be something like that! I'm transcribing for student string players (only some of whom are also pianists and may or may not have played this) and have to decide whether to keep the original no flats key signature and give the explanation or use the B flat then discuss how you see the raised 6th and 7th represented as accidentals. It will be easy enough to do both in software and I could even have a little experiment on how they read one vs. the other.


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