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iLoud Micro users here? #2746175
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Hello.

I went to a store to look at these speakers. I was reasonably impressed with the sound niceness (I won't say quality as I cannot state this objectively smile ). The shop attendant played some other speakers/monitors for comparison and a Tanoy Reveal 402 was a close contender). Even a Mackie MR5 did not sound as good. I am looking for a small solution so I would discard bigger monitors.

The iLouds sounded good but not too loud (I tried it with some songs in my smartphone, not the piano). The shop is in a very noisy street so part of my loudness perception could be caused by background noise.

So my question is if the sound is loud enough when connected to your DP for it to be comfortably listened in a small room (12m^2). Some time ago I tried some Bose Companion II with my DP and they sounded good enough and loud enough. I just would like to make sure the iLouds would fare as well if not better.

Thanks for your inputs.


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I have a pair of them. They have plenty of volume. I don't know about your phone, but with my pianos they can get so loud it would be painful to listen to in any normal room. I think they are 50 watts, but it depends on the source. A piano should have much more power than you smartphone. I wouldn't worry about volume.
The quality of the sound is very good, but they have one big issue for me, too much bass. You won't notice this with normal music, but you do notice with piano, where a neutral sound is important...
They have a bass cut-off switch but even with that they still have too much bass. I have to equalize all my pianos to reduce bass in order for the bass not to disturb me too much. My Eris 5 are much more neutral and therefore get much more use... It's a pity as they are perfect for travelling (and I am bringing them with me on holiday this summer), just wish they were more neutral....


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Re: iLoud Micro users here? [Re: EVC2017] #2746241
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Originally Posted by EVC2017
Hello.

I went to a store to look at these speakers. I was reasonably impressed with the sound niceness (I won't say quality as I cannot state this objectively smile ). The shop attendant played some other speakers/monitors for comparison and a Tanoy Reveal 402 was a close contender). Even a Mackie MR5 did not sound as good. I am looking for a small solution so I would discard bigger monitors.

The iLouds sounded good but not too loud (I tried it with some songs in my smartphone, not the piano). The shop is in a very noisy street so part of my loudness perception could be caused by background noise.

So my question is if the sound is loud enough when connected to your DP for it to be comfortably listened in a small room (12m^2). Some time ago I tried some Bose Companion II with my DP and they sounded good enough and loud enough. I just would like to make sure the iLouds would fare as well if not better.

Thanks for your inputs.





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Re: iLoud Micro users here? [Re: EVC2017] #2746243
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I had a pair for a little while.

Really great for listening to Tidal/Spotify or whatever but when used with my DPs there was a problem. On certain notes or at certain frequencies the iLoud casing and/or grilles buzzed slightly. Enough to be distracting and a deal-breaker. I didn't see this a QC issue for iLoud but rather I felt it was a reflection of the higher dynamic range of a piano when compared to recorded music. I also didn't feel like their frequency response was quite right for piano and the (less powerful) onboard speakers of the two pianos I tried them with (Roland FP90 and Dexibell P7) sounded more 'right' to my ears.

After a week I returned the iLoud Micros.


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Re: iLoud Micro users here? [Re: EssBrace] #2746255
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Originally Posted by EssBrace
I had a pair for a little while.

I didn't see this a QC issue for iLoud


This is a fair representation of the 3 star reviews on Amazon

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Pros:
1) Small/Portable/Lightweight
2) Sound quality is very good (it beat my Yamaha HS5's studio monitors in bottom end and overall sound quality)

Cons:
1) cheap build
2) RCA connectors only
3) RCA connectors are vulnerable to being pulled loose, be careful when disconnecting.

These speakers would benefit from an upgrade in build quality and the addition of 1/4 inch or even XLR connectors. Sound quality wise they are useful for the professionsl on the go, but connection options and build quality make it a shaky prospect. I had to return mine due to the cheap RCA connectors coming loose upon disconnecting my cables. I will purchase these speakers again only if they add 1/4 inch connectors.


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Originally Posted by Doug M.
Originally Posted by EssBrace
I had a pair for a little while.

I didn't see this a QC issue for iLoud


This is a fair representation of the 3 star reviews on Amazon

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Pros:
1) Small/Portable/Lightweight
2) Sound quality is very good (it beat my Yamaha HS5's studio monitors in bottom end and overall sound quality)

Cons:
1) cheap build
2) RCA connectors only
3) RCA connectors are vulnerable to being pulled loose, be careful when disconnecting.

These speakers would benefit from an upgrade in build quality and the addition of 1/4 inch or even XLR connectors. Sound quality wise they are useful for the professionsl on the go, but connection options and build quality make it a shaky prospect. I had to return mine due to the cheap RCA connectors coming loose upon disconnecting my cables. I will purchase these speakers again only if they add 1/4 inch connectors.


I don't think connection options are a big issue for piano players (you have RCA and a stereo audio jack), you have adapters if necessary.... As for build quality, the don't feel cheap to me... Now of course one thing is taking them on holiday, another is gigging with them regularly.... For me the big problem (and you will find some reviews on the internet that confirm it) is the non-neutral sound....


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Re: iLoud Micro users here? [Re: EssBrace] #2746270
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Originally Posted by EssBrace
I had a pair for a little while.
And then you got married. smile

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Here are some measurement charts and comments so you have a better idea of what these monitors are about. This guy liked the iLoud at lower volumes

http://noaudiophile.com/IK_Multimedia_iLoudMM/

I have some small desktop monitors and desktop 3 way systems which are fun to listen to. Personally, iFind that very small speakers as a general matter:

- don't do a great job with mid range so you will miss some of that fulness and body from your monitors

- don't have ultra smooth bass as that comes from some acoustic tricks and DSP. That could make some lower piano notes a bit too high or too low in volume

- don't have so much dynamic range

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Originally Posted by newer player
Here are some measurement charts and comments so you have a better idea of what these monitors are about. This guy liked the iLoud at lower volumes

http://noaudiophile.com/IK_Multimedia_iLoudMM/

I have some small desktop monitors and desktop 3 way systems which are fun to listen to. Personally, iFind that very small speakers as a general matter:

- don't do a great job with mid range so you will miss some of that fulness and body from your monitors

- don't have ultra smooth bass as that comes from some acoustic tricks and DSP. That could make some lower piano notes a bit too high or too low in volume

- don't have so much dynamic range


IMO these reviews not done for piano do not help much and can even be misleading. Compared to other desktop speakers that I have (Logitech) or to Bluetooth speakers (UE megaboom or even the old Iloud Bluetooth) well, there is no comparison possible.... The Iloud micro are true monitors and are much better (even better than the Eris 5 as long as you don't touch the lower 2 octaves...). Logitech or other Bluetooth speakers or even home cinema speakers are generally unusable for piano IMO. So no please don't start saying small (desktop) speakers are generally worse in this or in that... These are different from the usual small speakers and should be compared to 5" and even 8" professional monitors.


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Originally Posted by EssBrace
I had a pair for a little while.
And then you got married. smile


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Re: iLoud Micro users here? [Re: EVC2017] #2746410
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Thank you all for your comments.

EssBrace, I remember seeing a review where they rattled as yours. Could this be a unit problem or product?

They just have the right size, but if they rattle/buzz, then I will pass.


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Originally Posted by EVC2017
Thank you all for your comments.

EssBrace, I remember seeing a review where they rattled as yours. Could this be a unit problem or product?

They just have the right size, but if they rattle/buzz, then I will pass.


Well all I can tell you is they didn't distort or buzz when playing music from Tidal even at their highest volume setting (which is satisfyingly loud). So it was difficult for me to conclude that they were faulty as such. But piano tones of a particular frequency and/or volume did cause buzzing. Rightly or wrongly I just concluded that it was asking too much of them to play back loud piano sounds in this way. The dynamic range of a DP (quiet to loud) is far greater than playing pre-recorded music after all.


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Originally Posted by EssBrace
Originally Posted by EVC2017
Thank you all for your comments.

EssBrace, I remember seeing a review where they rattled as yours. Could this be a unit problem or product?

They just have the right size, but if they rattle/buzz, then I will pass.


Well all I can tell you is they didn't distort or buzz when playing music from Tidal even at their highest volume setting (which is satisfyingly loud). So it was difficult for me to conclude that they were faulty as such. But piano tones of a particular frequency and/or volume did cause buzzing. Rightly or wrongly I just concluded that it was asking too much of them to play back loud piano sounds in this way. The dynamic range of a DP (quiet to loud) is far greater than playing pre-recorded music after all.


Hi EssBrace, do you remember which notes rattled? I would like to try and see if I can reproduce the problem with mines.


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Originally Posted by Digitalguy
Hi EssBrace, do you remember which notes rattled? I would like to try and see if I can reproduce the problem with mines.


Sorry, no. I seem to recall somewhere in the lower midrange possibly. Not the lowest notes (which you might expect).


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Digitalguy, how about Eris 5 quality overall? This is one I have considered as an alternative to iLoud (the other is KRK VXT4).


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Originally Posted by EVC2017
Digitalguy, how about Eris 5 quality overall? This is one I have considered as an alternative to iLoud (the other is KRK VXT4).


Sorry I was away. I really like the eris 5, better than the iloud. The iloud might be slightly better in the upper range, but it's overwhelmed by the lower end. The eris are a generally better product. They have all the inputs you could wish, XLR, TRS and RCA, while the iloud only has RCA and one 3.5 jack (but with the addition of Bluetooth, which is a nice bonus). So you have more options in terms of connecting more things at the same time (audio interface, ipad etc.). For instance I use the XLR in my babyface to drive them while keeping the ipad pro connected too. Concerning sound, they are more neutral and pretty good for the size. Given that they are small they can also stand on a relatively small and cheap stand. Of course they are less portable than the iloud micro and less rugged too. Here is a comparison of size (I do keep the iloud above my eris when I use this piano grin) .
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Originally Posted by Digitalguy


Sorry I was away. I really like the eris 5, better than the iloud. The iloud might be slightly better in the upper range, but it's overwhelmed by the lower end.


The Iloud was conceived to be portable the ERIS not so much and it is really illustrated by your picture.
They really engineered it to have bass. How does regular music sound on it?

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Originally Posted by emenelton

The Iloud was conceived to be portable the ERIS not so much and it is really illustrated by your picture.
They really engineered it to have bass. How does regular music sound on it?


Regular music sounds pretty good, and bluetooth is very convenient for that... the problem is piano (again if you play music that only rarely uses the first 2 octaves it's fine, but I use them a lot, as I play octave-wide chords with my left hand and make extensive use of those octaves....) Yes, they over-emphasized bass in order to compensate for the small size, but that creates an overall unbalanced sound. I have watched some reviews of people using them for mixing and complaining about too much bass, so I am not alone. That bass cut-off switch should have been much more than 3 decibels. Of course you can EQ most pianos, but then when you use them with headphones for instance you have to EQ them again, etc. which is a hassle...
Still, they are amazing for travelling (or gigging,which I don't), which is a good enough reason for me for keeping them. They would have been even greater if you could use them with batteries... But I bought a relatively small power bank that has a full AC output with 120watts... (which I am still waiting to receive).


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Hi, Digitalguy, thank you very much. No need to apologize.

I liked the Presonus because they are relatively small (compared to other 5in monitors) and because they are front ported. I liked the iLoud sound (I do not look for perfect sound - I would use the HD598 for that) but I think for the intended purpose the Eris may be better. It is a pitty the iLoud is so expensive here in Brazil otherwise I would buy it anyway.

Just curious, have you observed that buzz in some notes?

Again, thanks for your help.


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Regular music sounds pretty good, and bluetooth is very convenient for that... the problem is piano (again if you play music that only rarely uses the first 2 octaves it's fine, but I use them a lot, as I play octave-wide chords with my left hand and make extensive use of those octaves....) Yes, they over-emphasized bass in order to compensate for the small size, but that creates an overall unbalanced sound. I have watched some reviews of people using them for mixing and complaining about too much bass, so I am not alone. That bass cut-off switch should have been much more than 3 decibels. Of course you can EQ most pianos, but then when you use them with headphones for instance you have to EQ them again, etc. which is a hassle...
Still, they are amazing for travelling (or gigging,which I don't), which is a good enough reason for me for keeping them. They would have been even greater if you could use them with batteries... But I bought a relatively small power bank that has a full AC output with 120watts... (which I am still waiting to receive).


I still use my iloud sometimes, it’s perfect a little bit. Kurtz forte 7 the bass on which is natural comparatively

Thanks

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