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How long should I expect a digital piano last? #2745622
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Say someone who practiced daily about 3 hours a day. If the piano is taken care of (no spilled drinks, etc.), how long would it take for the action to show signs of wear?

Also, which are the sturdiest brands?

By the way, I’m asking because to my shock and horror, the B below middle C on my Casio Privia 730 got stuck just a while ago. It’s still somewhat usable but the sound is low (no dynamics) and produces an unpleasant, lingering sound when struck. I’ve owned this piano for 8 years now so it’s a bit old, but as I quit for a number of years, usage wise it has only seen 3 years of irregular practice. It’s only in the last month that I’ve upped my practice time and this is the result frown

So I’m thinking of replacing it with something better, but now longevity is a concern. Are Clavinovas sturdier, in your experience?


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Re: How long should I expect a digital piano last? [Re: marimorimo] #2745641
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You'll only get anecdotal information here ... or anywhere online.
Only the manufacturers have hard data on quality, reliability, or longevity. And they don't share that data.

Here, someone will say his brand X piano broke down after six months.
Another will say his brand X piano is still working after twenty years.
That doesn't say much does it?

You cannot reach meaningful conclusions from data that is limited in number, completely unvetted, not classified, and not quantitative.

As for your Casio 730 ... Do you really need to replace it? Or can you just get it repaired?

Re: How long should I expect a digital piano last? [Re: marimorimo] #2745650
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If this anecdote helps, I played my Roland FP-7F for 6 years for 2-3 hours a day, and bought it used, and there doesn't seem to be any wear I could feel before I gave it to a friend.

I also briefly had a Yamaha Grantouch GT2 which was over 12 years old, and the keyboard and action were in great shape. The previous owner probably didn't play it as hard as I did my Roland, but we are talking leather and felt parts.

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Re: How long should I expect a digital piano last? [Re: marimorimo] #2745685
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In Australia Kawai give a 10 year waranty on their digital pianos (I have an ES8), so I assume they expect them to last. 😁

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Re: How long should I expect a digital piano last? [Re: marimorimo] #2745703
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I purchased my Yamaha Clavinova brand new from authorized dealer in 1990. It was made in Japan. In fact, even the bench says made in Japan. Every key and pedal still works. All the voices work. It's never been serviced. I now use it mostly with virtual piano software to take advantage of the latest tone generation technology with a Yamaha UX-16 USB-MIDI adapter.

I am still practicing on it everyday for silent practice needs. I don't know the number of hours I practiced on it, but it has to be in the thousands. The thing seems to be indestructible. Often, I just leave it turned on all day.

Re: How long should I expect a digital piano last? [Re: marimorimo] #2745725
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I've had two Yamaha P90s, both bought used. I've had to make minor repairs on both, but they're very easy to work on. It takes more time to get the thing apart than to fix what's wrong. No idea if Casio are also easy to work on, but I'd checkout youtube . In all cases on my keyboards there's been some minor problem with the little spring under the key getting out of position, or other minor things I can't remember any more. Since you know which key is having a problem, it's pretty easy to compare everything about that key with everything about some other key to identify what's different, and then fix it.


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Re: How long should I expect a digital piano last? [Re: MarkL] #2745774
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My Technics SX-PX201 has been working perfectly for more than 20 years and it is still OK today.
It has had only two minor problems: the sustain pedal makes noise (like a spring noise which I could not correct) and a PCB in the piano was vibrating (I could easily correct it).
There has never been the slightest problem with the electronics and the keys.


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Re: How long should I expect a digital piano last? [Re: marimorimo] #2745775
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Besides my MP11 I own a Yamaha CVP 98 bought in 1997. Still working perfectly. Just had the felt of the keybed replaced last year. The action is a typical 3rd tier upright action. But I don`t play fast thrills often.

As my BOSS prefers me entertaining her with typical arranger piano sounds it is required in addition to the MP11.

Still I especially love it for its marvelous sound system: 240 watts from 6 speakers -- I`m not a headset person.

Because of this speaker system Its future use (from next month) will mainly be in connection with Pianoteq.- aside from entertaining my BOSS.

Re: How long should I expect a digital piano last? [Re: marimorimo] #2745784
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I had a Roland HP-330e for 10 years, it never broke down at all, it played the same as it did new when I sold it. I bought a Yamaha CP-300 to replace it the year after I sold the Roland, and springs and felt wore out in it after 7 years. I've now bought another Roland.

I know of a Roland HP-4500s (1987) which has only ever needed its contacts cleaned. I know a 1986 Yamaha CLP-200 in perfect condition. Basically it depends on the individual piano. There were some Yamaha Clavinovas known for keys failing on them, to the point where Yamaha offered to send out a whole new keyboard assembly and replace it under warranty. It didn't happen to all the pianos though.

I know of a Kawai ES-100 I think it is, where the keyboard has completely failed - but I know that's a highly unusual situation. I know of other Kawais, over 20 years old, that still work fine.

I could tell you similar stories about acoustic pianos.

Re: How long should I expect a digital piano last? [Re: marimorimo] #2745787
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Most electro-mechanical devices will need some adjustment or repair after a few months or years of regular use. That says nothing about their lifetime longevity though. Your Casio likely uses rubber or silicon pad switches onto a graphite contact, same as in a TV remote control, these are susceptible to wear, dirt, dust, grease, or just flex failure. A lot of people treat their DP as a piece of technology, there’s always a better one around the corner in some respect after a few years. However once you have one you really really like it can become part of the home. Look for extended warranty’s with good or easy access to service or support and carry on.

Re: How long should I expect a digital piano last? [Re: marimorimo] #2745826
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How long should one last?

Until the next "GOTTA HAVE" feature comes out

At least, til the end of your grandchildren's visit

Beyond at least, one drink spill on the keyboard

Once the square root of the price exceeds the number of months ownership divided by four plus actual hours played

:-O


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Re: How long should I expect a digital piano last? [Re: marimorimo] #2745829
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Casio Privia PX-800: Originally sold in 2009 and I got it second(?) hand, the sustain pedal mechanism broke once and I was able to glue it, the action has become noisy but everything works.

Yamaha PF80: It's from the 80's and I don't know its history, but it's seen some life judging by the wear and tear and the included flight case, one EQ potentiometer has contact problems and there's some hum in the headphone out, one switch cap got lost at some point, it had some animal hair inside when I got it, otherwise fine. And it's as nice or nicer to play than the Casio.

But you never know. People have problems with new devices too as is often seen on this forum.

Re: How long should I expect a digital piano last? [Re: marimorimo] #2745838
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Thanks for sharing all your experience everyone! Seems it’s a toss-up after all.


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Re: How long should I expect a digital piano last? [Re: McBuster] #2745900
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Originally Posted by McBuster
How long should one last?

Once the square root of the price exceeds the number of months ownership divided by four plus actual hours played

:-O


Hmm
sqrt(1300) => 36.05
With 0.5hrs/day practice (15.2/month)

So umm... 3 months? laugh


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Re: How long should I expect a digital piano last? [Re: marimorimo] #2745933
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I've had my Yamaha PF12 since about 1985 and it still works fine. Whats that - like 33 years with no maintenance or problems. (No I don't work for Yamaha). It was my first stage piano used daily and for gigs twice a month for 15 years, then put aside for new gear. I've used it as my practice piano at girlfriend's place for the last 8 years and the action (and one particular rhodes-like electric piano sound) is still among my favourites.

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Re: How long should I expect a digital piano last? [Re: marimorimo] #2745937
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Originally Posted by marimorimo
Thanks for sharing all your experience everyone! Seems it’s a toss-up after all.

Very often the first components to give up or become defective are the ones that move. In a DP, it will be the action components. Many recent DPs use rubber contacts which need to be replaced from time to time, especially with the number of hours you mention you will practice daily. It will also vary according to other things like your way of playing (some play with heavier touch than others) and build quality.

Note that a given brand can not tell much about the quality of a DP model. For example, my 1990 Kurzweil MIDIboard still works perfectly like the first day I had it, but another Kurzweil DP I bought around 2005 had a much worse action (Fatar). I got rid of that one after a few years before it would fall apart. So it is the same within any other DP brand. Finally, as you can read here from others, it is too bad that recent DPs don't last like older DPs and keyboards. Part of this is explained by the different action designs used back then - much more solid.

Re: How long should I expect a digital piano last? [Re: marimorimo] #2745945
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Update: I just had my Casio PX-730 repaired by a freelance technician (who makes his own parts using a 3D printer!) and apparently the problem wasn’t the rubber contacts but rather a shattered black plastic bit at the tip of the key. Not sure what it’s called, though.

Here it is (with the bit replaced): https://imgur.com/a/HqadC2Z

According to the the technician, this is a relatively common problem with the Privias. But among the recent DPs he said that the Kawai ES-100 was particularly prone to having problems. Not sure about the updated ES-110 though.

Removing and replacing the gazillion screws took 95% of the time of the repair, LOL.

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Re: How long should I expect a digital piano last? [Re: Bett] #2745971
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Originally Posted by Bett
In Australia Kawai give a 10 year waranty on their digital pianos (I have an ES8), so I assume they expect them to last. 😁


Maybe. Maybe not. In b-school we studied the use of warranties as a marketing tool for competitive advantage. Inferior products (or those with that reputation) might offer longer warranties to entice sales, with a calculus that the product would be abandoned by a certain period (before failure) or resold (whereupon the warranty would no longer cover the product), or simply lightly used and not need service. In 2002 Chrysler goosed US sales of its garbage-y K-cars by offering 7-year warranties. Today Kia does the same.

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I had never considered that inferior products might be marketed with long warranties that companies never expected to have to honour for the reasons you gave. However, I dont consider Kawai digitals to be inferior products, and these days Kia cars have a decent reputation 😁

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Larry Fine notes that longer warranties are often found in el-cheapo acoustic pianos, too.
Originally Posted by ottokeys
Inferior products (or those with that reputation) might offer longer warranties to entice sales, with a calculus that the product would be abandoned by a certain period (before failure) or resold (whereupon the warranty would no longer cover the product), or simply lightly used and not need service.

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