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Nord Stage 3 vs Roland RD2000 #2745305
06/18/18 10:24 AM
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I'm looking to buy a keyboard primarily for practicing at home, and for recording into my DAW because I produce as a hobby -

I also gig maybe once or twice a month, so obviously this is a much lesser priority than the forementioned above.

I travelled a couple of hours from where I live today and tried both keyboards in the title and they both seem awesome, the Nord seemed a bit more comfortable keybed-wise but my mind felt a bit cluttered with all the lights and dials etc whereas the RD2000 has a much simpler layout -

I know there are other alternatives in the similar price range to consider, I've seen a few Kawai and Yamaha's crop up when doing searches on Google/Reddit, but I'm unsure as to which models are the main competitors.

Instinctively I'm somewhat drawn to the RD2000 - the extra weight isn't too much of an issue as I'd only be moving it a couple times a month, and it has a thousands of sounds and great layering potential for use in my tracks -

The Nord didn't seem to have anywhere near as many preset sounds - and they all seemed very generic. I did read somewhere that it has the capability to be loaded up with more sounds - is this something the RD2000 can also do?

I assume both can be used as a MIDI controller in my DAW, which is very important.

I thought I'd come and post on here to see if anyone had any opinions - I might be missing something and I'm hesitant to commit to buying a quite pricey bit of kit in case I make the wrong choice.

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Re: Nord Stage 3 vs Roland RD2000 [Re: Jakers] #2745327
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Originally Posted by Jakers
the Nord seemed a bit more comfortable keybed-wise but my mind felt a bit cluttered with all the lights and dials etc whereas the RD2000 has a much simpler layout

because it offers less in the way of immediate hands-on control. But not everyone cares about that. The Roland, OTOH, offers more in the way of easily calling up presets. I guess I'd say that, operationally, the Nord has the edge for sound creation and real-time sound manipulation, the Roland has the edge if you mostly work from presets. Sonically, I'd say the Nord has the edge for organ and synth, the Roland has the edge for most other acoustic instrument sounds, with the pianos being a judgement call.

Originally Posted by Jakers
I know there are other alternatives in the similar price range to consider, I've seen a few Kawai and Yamaha's crop up when doing searches on Google/Reddit, but I'm unsure as to which models are the main competitors.

It depends on what basis you are comparing. But probably Kurzwel Forte and Korg Kronos. Maybe Yamaha Montage, if you don't care much about the drawbar organ emulation. Nord/Kurzweil/Korg are stronger in classic analog-style synth than Roland or Yamaha, too, if that matters.

Originally Posted by Jakers
I did read somewhere that it has the capability to be loaded up with more sounds - is this something the RD2000 can also do?

Minimally. http://axial.roland.com/category/rd-2000/

Originally Posted by Jakers
I assume both can be used as a MIDI controller in my DAW, which is very important.

Yes. Roland is stronger than Nord as a generic MIDI controller, though Nord has all the dedicated organ and synth controls which can map nicely to organ and synth VSTs.

Re: Nord Stage 3 vs Roland RD2000 [Re: Jakers] #2745345
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surprised you prefer the nord tp40 action over rolands pha50.

would imagine saving $2000 would make it more than instincts drawing you to the rd2000! wink

anotherscott gives great advice.
the kurzweil forte7 (76 key) weighs in the same as the nord stage 3 88.
splits the difference between your two in price.

edit: also has a lighter version of the same action as the stage 3 88

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Re: Nord Stage 3 vs Roland RD2000 [Re: Jakers] #2745353
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There is a weight and length size difference between the two:

Roland: 47 pounds
Nord: 40 pounds

Roland 55.62 inches
Nord 50.7 inches

The length was very important for me...5 inches longer on the Roland for a joystick on the left side made it a tight fit in my car, and on tiny stages.


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Re: Nord Stage 3 vs Roland RD2000 [Re: Jakers] #2745409
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I was just in this same boat. For me, a professional keyboard player, it wasn't even close. The RD-2000 is a monster of a unit. The action is incredible and when you consider the included sounds and axial support it's no contest. Sure the Nord has some really nice easy to access and use performance features and many people love the piano sounds, but the action IMHO is nowhere close to PHA50. Also at least in USA, Nord is way, way, way, overpriced. Just my opinion.....

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Re: Nord Stage 3 vs Roland RD2000 [Re: Jakers] #2745428
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Basically, what anotherscott said ...

The Stage 3 (and all Nords) are strongest at live performance situations. All the knobs are there, they're easy to get to -- just what you want for whipping up "that sound" during a performance. Never a menu dive.

Since I gig frequently, it works for me. The included presets are what they are, but it's super easy to come up with your own portfolio.

The Nords are no slouch in the studio, but it's not as much of a clear case. Other boards have broader capabilities if you want a very broad palette. As far as sources of additional sounds for the Nord, there are three:

a) the Nord website -- everything is free
b) the Nord user forum (not affiliated with Nord -- www.norduserforum.com) with oodles of patches, samples and friendly people
c) a few folks out there selling their own handiwork -- generally of high quality.

Can't go wrong with either, though ...


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Re: Nord Stage 3 vs Roland RD2000 [Re: Jakers] #2745474
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Originally Posted by Jakers
I assume both can be used as a MIDI controller in my DAW, which is very important.


Yes, this shouldn't be a problem. The Roland is superior in this respect as it allows direct USB connection to a computer.
Which DAW are you using, by the way? Are you using an software instruments? If so, there's a strong chance you may not need all of the sounds available on the Roland or Nord.

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Re: Nord Stage 3 vs Roland RD2000 [Re: Kawai James] #2745585
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Jakers
I assume both can be used as a MIDI controller in my DAW, which is very important.


Yes, this shouldn't be a problem. The Roland is superior in this respect as it allows direct USB connection to a computer.

NS3 does MIDI over USB as well. Not audio, though, if that's what you were talking about.

Both work as controllers, wth different strengths. Nord has dedicated organ and synth controls that you can map, which may be preferable for organ/synth VST work; Roland has generic controls that you can map, which may be better for other uses. Roland is better at integrating internal and external sounds simultaneously (when using internal sounds, Nord essentially only supports two external sounds, with limited controls). Roland has more zoning flexibility/controls (though in a DAW environment, that's often handled by the host software anyway).

Re: Nord Stage 3 vs Roland RD2000 [Re: anotherscott] #2745743
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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Jakers
I assume both can be used as a MIDI controller in my DAW, which is very important.


Yes, this shouldn't be a problem. The Roland is superior in this respect as it allows direct USB connection to a computer.

NS3 does MIDI over USB as well. Not audio, though, if that's what you were talking about.


Yes, sorry about that - I ought to have been more specific.

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Re: Nord Stage 3 vs Roland RD2000 [Re: JazzBow] #2745792
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Originally Posted by Jefsco
surprised you prefer the nord tp40 action over rolands pha50.

would imagine saving $2000 would make it more than instincts drawing you to the rd2000! wink


Honestly the demo RD2000 in the shop I visited felt like it been on display for 5 years, a bit beaten and worn basically so that might have impacted the feel. And you are quite right on the price, that certainly makes the decision a bit easier!


Originally Posted by JazzBow
I was just in this same boat. For me, a professional keyboard player, it wasn't even close. The RD-2000 is a monster of a unit. The action is incredible and when you consider the included sounds and axial support it's no contest. Sure the Nord has some really nice easy to access and use performance features and many people love the piano sounds, but the action IMHO is nowhere close to PHA50. Also at least in USA, Nord is way, way, way, overpriced. Just my opinion.....


Thank you for this, needed to hear it before commiting!

Originally Posted by Kawai James

Which DAW are you using, by the way? Are you using an software instruments? If so, there's a strong chance you may not need all of the sounds available on the Roland or Nord.



The DAW I use is FL Studio although working on learning Ableton atm - I don't have a great deal of VSTs and software instruments so the large bank of instruments on the RD2000 will be a lot of fun to play with.

---


Thanks all for the super helpful replies - I think I've now decided that I'll go for the RD2000 2hearts

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Re: Nord Stage 3 vs Roland RD2000 [Re: Jakers] #2745799
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Piano-wise I vote for Roland.

I dislike the piano samples of Nords very much. In my mind they sound very artificially, and with good headphones or speakers it is especially clearly heard. Besides the action of Nord Piano keyboard is imo much inferior to that of Roland.

I would say Nord Piano is a toy, most suitable for pop musicians, whereas Roland RD is a serious and universal professional instrument.

RD-700NX and 800 are now the dominating professional instruments among pianists in my region, I guess RD-2000 will soon join them, too.

Re: Nord Stage 3 vs Roland RD2000 [Re: Iaroslav Vasiliev] #2745813
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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
I would say Nord Piano is a toy, most suitable for pop musicians....


wow....seems a bit harsh!

was not aware that pop musicians use toy instruments! ๐Ÿ˜‰


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Re: Nord Stage 3 vs Roland RD2000 [Re: jeffscot] #2745815
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Originally Posted by Jefsco
Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
I would say Nord Piano is a toy, most suitable for pop musicians....


wow....seems a bit harsh!

was not aware that pop musicians use toy instruments! ๐Ÿ˜‰

Then you are no aware of the iconic German pop song "Da Da Da" by "Trio", from the 80s? wink
(Toy keyboard at 1:10 mark):


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you know, i had heard rumors about an early nord prototype being white!?
first time iโ€™ve laid eyes on it crazy


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Re: Nord Stage 3 vs Roland RD2000 [Re: Iaroslav Vasiliev] #2745864
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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
I would say Nord Piano is a toy, most suitable for pop musicians


All right, don't sugarcoat it ! thumb

Actually I think they're ok for Jazz and Jazz hybrid styles. Some very fine players gravitate towards them for one reason or another. They record very realistic and always sound good out front while listening. But the player connection and overall experience of having something that somewhat resembles an Acoustic piano substitute is severely lacking - at least for me.

After owning 2 Nord Pianos , they're not at all for me as a serious Jazz piano player. I do think the NP3 is an improvement but I still don't trust the quality control on their keyboards. I think they were better in the past in that regard. And at that price-point... eek

If you consider yourself a pianist and serious real player of any style - especially Jazz or Classical - the Roland RD2000 all the way.


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Re: Nord Stage 3 vs Roland RD2000 [Re: Jakers] #2745868
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Staying OT, Yann Tiersen uses a toy piano in some of his music including gigging on tour. Not sure heโ€™s a pop musician though?

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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris

If you consider yourself a pianist and serious real player of any style - especially Jazz or Classical - the Roland RD2000 all the way.


huh! ....no mention of a yamaha cp4!?

omg! someone needs to notify admin.....
daves account has been hacked! grin


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I do prefer the CP4 for Jazz over the Roland. The Yamaha has a quicker player response and works better for me while soloing. Plus the mono CFX is unrivaled to anything else I've heard at this juncture. Although the Roland sounded thicker in the middle for more complex chord voicings when I A/B'd them extensively last year.

But the thread was about the Nord vs the Roland , so I just commented on those two.


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