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Beethoven Pathétique Sonata 2nd movement #2745720 06/19/18 06:24 PM
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Hi,

I started learning Piano about 2 years ago because I wanted to learn to play this piece. The music is readily available, but I'm not sure about the exact fingerings. Does anyone know where I may obtain music for this piece that includes fingerings?

Thanks in advance,
Dana

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Re: Beethoven Pathétique Sonata 2nd movement [Re: dsw67] #2745732 06/19/18 07:50 PM
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Did you try IMSLP? They probably have many editions with different fingerings.
http://imslp.org/wiki/Piano_Sonata_No.8%2C_Op.13_(Beethoven%2C_Ludwig_van)IMSLP247234

Here's the von Bulow edition from IMSLP
http://conquest.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/9/9e/IMSLP247234-PMLP01410-Beethoven_-_Sonata_No.8,_Op.13_(Full_Score).pdf


Here's a different fingered edition from Walter Cosand's site:
http://waltercosand.com/CosandScores/Composers%20A-D/Beethoven,%20Ludwig%20van/Piano%20Solo/Piano%20Sonatas/Sonata_08.pdf

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Re: Beethoven Pathétique Sonata 2nd movement [Re: dsw67] #2745734 06/19/18 08:00 PM
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Many sonatas from the Schnabel edition of the Beethoven Sonatas are here. The Pathetique is on page 3.

http://www.pianophilia.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=851&start=20



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Re: Beethoven Pathétique Sonata 2nd movement [Re: dsw67] #2745762 06/19/18 10:26 PM
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While you might find some valuable fingering suggestions in various editions, the 2nd movement in particular of the Pathetique is one where it is slow enough various fingerings will work. But I think you will find that once you start digging into it, it's a very comfortable movement and that you will natural "find" your own fingerings.

I would take your time, not rush, and pay attention as you are learning to finding fingerings that work for your hand - and write them in so they become repeatable.

One trap I used to find myself getting caught in, particularly with slower 2nd movements where it is easier to cheat, was using "variable" fingering. I would think to myself, "It's not fast, so I can get away with whatever." This would lead to inconsistency in many different ways.

I would spend some time figuring out your own fingerings, giving thought to three primary things - physical comfort, phrasing continuity, and sound. Once you do that, write them in, practice them, and you are good to go!

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Re: Beethoven Pathétique Sonata 2nd movement [Re: dsw67] #2745783 06/20/18 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by dsw67

I started learning Piano about 2 years ago because I wanted to learn to play this piece. The music is readily available, but I'm not sure about the exact fingerings. Does anyone know where I may obtain music for this piece that includes fingerings?


I started to learn this piece 2 1/2 months in from restarting after a 56 year gap where I had got to grade 3 (scraped) as a child. It followed the first movement of the Moonlight sonata.

I use the ABRSM Signature Series Edited by Barry Cooper, which has a few fingerings, but not a massive amount. https://www.amazon.com/Sonata-minor-Op-Pathetique-Signature/dp/1860967469 (although mine came from Amazon UK). I try to follow the fingering, although there were a couple of places where I preferred not to, but I think that is a slight detraction as I am not getting finger legato as a result (using the pedal)

It took me 4 1/2 months (of between 2 and 3 hours practice a day) to reach a stage where I was prepared to submit my recording to the ABF Quarterly Recitals (#50). http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2736549/recital-50-may-15-2018.html

When I started I thought I had bitten off more than I could chew, but my teacher said go for it. It took me a complete month to be even able to play the first 16 measures. All along my teacher wanted me to get voicing and dynamics built in as I was learning it. Getting the right notes for the rest came shortly afterwards, but getting the voicing, dynamics, etc took the rest of the time. I still feel that there is a lot more I could do to improve, but I have put it aside for now to learn some Bach. I plan on bring it back to performance level every 6 months or so for the next couple of years (Josh Wright on You Tube says that doing it three times will keep it in your fingers for life)

Good luck with your endevours

Re: Beethoven Pathétique Sonata 2nd movement [Re: akc42] #2745788 06/20/18 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by dsw67

I started learning Piano about 2 years ago because I wanted to learn to play this piece. The music is readily available, but I'm not sure about the exact fingerings. Does anyone know where I may obtain music for this piece that includes fingerings?


I started to learn this piece 2 1/2 months in from restarting after a 56 year gap where I had got to grade 3 (scraped) as a child. It followed the first movement of the Moonlight sonata.

I use the ABRSM Signature Series Edited by Barry Cooper, which has a few fingerings, but not a massive amount. https://www.amazon.com/Sonata-minor-Op-Pathetique-Signature/dp/1860967469 (although mine came from Amazon UK). I try to follow the fingering, although there were a couple of places where I preferred not to, but I think that is a slight detraction as I am not getting finger legato as a result (using the pedal)

It took me 4 1/2 months (of between 2 and 3 hours practice a day) to reach a stage where I was prepared to submit my recording to the ABF Quarterly Recitals (#50). http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2736549/recital-50-may-15-2018.html

When I started I thought I had bitten off more than I could chew, but my teacher said go for it. It took me a complete month to be even able to play the first 16 measures. All along my teacher wanted me to get voicing and dynamics built in as I was learning it. Getting the right notes for the rest came shortly afterwards, but getting the voicing, dynamics, etc took the rest of the time. I still feel that there is a lot more I could do to improve, but I have put it aside for now to learn some Bach. I plan on bring it back to performance level every 6 months or so for the next couple of years (Josh Wright on You Tube says that doing it three times will keep it in your fingers for life)

Good luck with your endevours

Originally Posted by akc42
Originally Posted by dsw67

I started learning Piano about 2 years ago because I wanted to learn to play this piece. The music is readily available, but I'm not sure about the exact fingerings. Does anyone know where I may obtain music for this piece that includes fingerings?


I started to learn this piece 2 1/2 months in from restarting after a 56 year gap where I had got to grade 3 (scraped) as a child. It followed the first movement of the Moonlight sonata.

I use the ABRSM Signature Series Edited by Barry Cooper, which has a few fingerings, but not a massive amount. https://www.amazon.com/Sonata-minor-Op-Pathetique-Signature/dp/1860967469 (although mine came from Amazon UK). I try to follow the fingering, although there were a couple of places where I preferred not to, but I think that is a slight detraction as I am not getting finger legato as a result (using the pedal)

It took me 4 1/2 months (of between 2 and 3 hours practice a day) to reach a stage where I was prepared to submit my recording to the ABF Quarterly Recitals (#50). http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2736549/recital-50-may-15-2018.html

When I started I thought I had bitten off more than I could chew, but my teacher said go for it. It took me a complete month to be even able to play the first 16 measures. All along my teacher wanted me to get voicing and dynamics built in as I was learning it. Getting the right notes for the rest came shortly afterwards, but getting the voicing, dynamics, etc took the rest of the time. I still feel that there is a lot more I could do to improve, but I have put it aside for now to learn some Bach. I plan on bring it back to performance level every 6 months or so for the next couple of years (Josh Wright on You Tube says that doing it three times will keep it in your fingers for life)

Good luck with your endevours

Yes, best of luck. I guess my more relevant post was banned. Awesome!


Rob Mullins
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