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does this exist in any form? "music recognition" thingy #2744433
06/14/18 02:56 PM
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These days when you see an image on-line, you can google it through "search image". I would love if something similar existed for passages of music.

In music I have huge holes because of my spotty background. When I was young, I was exposed to the classical music my parents had on, but it was their music, and remained nameless. Snatches of music played in my head when I was a child, and I'd duplicate bits by humming them in a random key. There was no name to the music, and no composer. I hardly knew any names of composers when I joined PW, and had to study up on periods like Baroque or Romantic. So that's the background.

So now I'm catching up. Often when I watch a movie, or commercial, or anything, music comes up that is familiar. But I don't know the piece, the composer, anything. I would love to do a "search image" type of thing, but cutting out a sample of this music, find out what it is - or at least, the composer, period - anything, to start patching up this gigantic hole in what I know. Does anything like that exist?

I think I might since Youtube is using some kind of recognition stuff to try to catch plagiarism, and then censoring some hapless student hacking out his version of Beethoven, which YT manages to match with some famous performance through its still imperfect algorithms.

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Re: does this exist in any form? "music recognition" thingy [Re: keystring] #2744434
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Gracenote MusicID, Shazam, SoundHound. All have different databases they match against, so having more than one might be needed.

Edit. There is also a list here of online applications but I haven't tried any of these: online music recognizers

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Re: does this exist in any form? "music recognition" thingy [Re: keystring] #2744435
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TS, thank you so much!!!

Re: does this exist in any form? "music recognition" thingy [Re: keystring] #2744444
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But I find those not very effective with classical music and completely useless for the aspect "I have a melody in mind and don't recall what piece it is". Singing a melodic line doesn't give any result. Playing a professional recording work. I'm not sure if you play an amateur recording that you will find the piece (I'd be curious to try this with my own).

So it exists, but it is limited in what it can do.


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Re: does this exist in any form? "music recognition" thingy [Re: keystring] #2744450
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For classical tunes, one can always ask the experts in Pianist Corner, some of whom have lived & breathed classical music for over four score and seven years wink .

You can just sing or play the tune on your piano and put it into Dropbox (?) or similar and someone will give you an answer within 24 hours. Questions on classical music identification are irresistible to classical buffs........


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Re: does this exist in any form? "music recognition" thingy [Re: keystring] #2744453
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Re: does this exist in any form? "music recognition" thingy [Re: CadenzaVvi] #2744454
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Originally Posted by Jouishy
But I find those not very effective with classical music and completely useless for the aspect "I have a melody in mind and don't recall what piece it is". Singing a melodic line doesn't give any result. Playing a professional recording work. I'm not sure if you play an amateur recording that you will find the piece (I'd be curious to try this with my own).

So it exists, but it is limited in what it can do.

Are you saying that you tried these resources --- or some of the resources? I have wondered this myself as I read up on them, but I have to try them out. When I remember something that I can sing or peck out on the piano, it will not be in the original key - it will be in any key. If I know the name of something I have had in my head for 40 years, and look it up, I will discover that I've made some variations to it.

Some time ago I was trying to do some ear training by seeing if I could write out what I hear. In this episode of "Hoss and the Leprechauns" at 9:44, as the violins come in, it reminds me of some other music. But I don't know what. That's the kind of thing that teases me. At present I have to go to people who know the names of pieces and ask, "What does this remind you of?" or "What composer / composition"? because I'm a blank with no names.
https://youtu.be/rW5oZQfg-Ys?t=555

Re: does this exist in any form? "music recognition" thingy [Re: MRC] #2744460
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Originally Posted by MRC


Thank you. smile

Re: does this exist in any form? "music recognition" thingy [Re: MRC] #2744475
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Yes, I tried a few ones like a year ago.

I'm sure I've heard the theme from the prelude in F minor of the second book of the well tempered clavier in a metal song, so I've tried to use some apps to find it. And when I sang the melody (in the right key), I've got zero result (either the real prelude or a song). So I've tried putting a recording from Barenboim and it worked ... to find that it was a recording from Barenboim (which is already good though).

Originally Posted by MRC

Doesn't seem to work on my computer. frown


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Started piano on February 2016.
Pieces I'm working on :
- Rameau, Les Sauvages
- Beethoven, sonata op. 49, no. 1, 1st mov
- Chopin, nocturne op. posth. in C# minor
- Debussy, Golliwog's cakewalk
Re: does this exist in any form? "music recognition" thingy [Re: CadenzaVvi] #2744488
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Originally Posted by Jouishy
Yes, I tried a few ones like a year ago.

I'm sure I've heard the theme from the prelude in F minor of the second book of the well tempered clavier in a metal song, so I've tried to use some apps to find it. And when I sang the melody (in the right key), I've got zero result (either the real prelude or a song). So I've tried putting a recording from Barenboim and it worked ... to find that it was a recording from Barenboim (which is already good though).

Originally Posted by MRC

Doesn't seem to work on my computer. frown


Nor on mine.


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