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yelp for piano professionals? #2744402
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I wonder if there’s an opportunity to use some space on PW to gather user ratings and comments about piano professionals - retailers, rebuilders, technicians, teachers, etc. does that exist? I can imagine logistical issues in keeping it clean but it might be interesting and helpful to the users...

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This could be a can of worms that PW may not want to open. While I don't use Yelp or any service that relies on "user" reviews, one of the criticisms against it is the questionable legitimacy of many of the reviews. Disgruntled customers can skew results with excessively negative comments just as owner friends can do likewise with overly positive reviews.

Whom can you trust?

Visitors to and regular users of PW already get recommendations by asking questions of the knowledgeable members who post here.

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Originally Posted by BruceD
This could be a can of worms that PW may not want to open. While I don't use Yelp or any service that relies on "user" reviews, one of the criticisms against it is the questionable legitimacy of many of the reviews. Disgruntled customers can skew results with excessively negative comments just as owner friends can do likewise with overly positive reviews.

Whom can you trust?

Visitors to and regular users of PW already get recommendations by asking questions of the knowledgeable members who post here.
I agree. it would be a disaster and possibly even pose legal problems for the poster or PW. If a member wants information on a particular person I think it's best to ask for any responses via PM only.

For many/some online rating sites people get paid to post positive or negative reviews. I don't think they're very useful unless perhaps there are a huge number of reviews that a very strongly pro or con.

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Re: yelp for piano professionals? [Re: NYSteve] #2744425
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My $0.02 as a noob on this board: hosting ratings and recommendations shouldn’t create liability for the board but yes people need to take ownership of the consequences of their own writing. Like on any review board. And I do think that having things like how long someone has been a member and the number of prior posts coupled with existing rules about disclosing affiliations could all be used to help people weigh the validity of a review (as people do on other sites with reviews). But right now there is no place with this information for piano professionals that I am aware even tho it exists in spades for restaurants, hotels, and the like.

Still just a thought ...

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Re: yelp for piano professionals? [Re: NYSteve] #2744426
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Originally Posted by NYSteve
My $0.02 as a noob on this board: hosting ratings and recommendations shouldn’t create liability for the board but yes people need to take ownership of the consequences of their own writing. Like on any review board. And I do think that having things like how long someone has been a member and the number of prior posts coupled with existing rules about disclosing affiliations could all be used to help people weigh the validity of a review (as people do on other sites with reviews). But right now there is no place with this information for piano professionals that I am aware even tho it exists in spades for restaurants, hotels, and the like.

Still just a thought ...

Here are my thoughts on this subject...

First of all, any piano professional who joins this forum is supposed to list their professional credentials/details of their affiliation/connection/occupation within the piano industry, and any other related info, in their signature line that shows at the bottom of all their threads/posts. Most of the pros here do it correctly, and some do not.

Secondly, any PW member who has been around a while has, most likely, already drawn a conclusion/opinion as to who they believe, trust, would do business with, recommend (or not), or pay any attention to in regards to the reputation and/or credibility of the member.

So, in a sense, depending on how you look at it, PW already is a YELP, of sorts, regarding piano professionals, in my view.

Just my .02.

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Re: yelp for piano professionals? [Re: NYSteve] #2744427
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This is rife for abuse and misuse, and I wouldn't want to see it. Such things can hurt reputations of decent professionals, including some ways that have already been described. The only kind of feedback that I want to see at any time about anyone in a profession is anecdotal, with detail, which can happen in discussion.

In regards to teachers, I once looked at a "rate my teacher" site out of curiosity. The "bad" teacher had high expectations, taught challenging material, while the "good" teacher was entertaining, fun, and made no demands. I would make sure to avoid that particular "good" teacher. Those giving ratings must have been irresponsible kids.

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Given a sufficient sample (10's or 100's of reviews), I think things even out and the outliers (both positive and negative) tend to cancel out. Any professional worth their salt is going to be a fan of transparent reviews because they have zero to hide and take pride in their work and trust their constituency. That's in any industry.

If I was a PTG member, I personally would encourage reviews and honest criticism/praise and would be suspicious of anyone who thought that was a bad idea. Just my 2 cents. Hold people accountable and also praise folks that do great work.

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@Ritz, I agree. The cream definitely rises to the top on Yelp and TripAdvisor.

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For starters, I think many people with negative experiences with techs or dealers would not be willing to post about it because of the possible legal issues. Is the potential hassle worth the temporary satisfaction of getting even with an industry pro that has given bad service? Even if the criticism was fair, how many would want to risk possible legal action just to post their review? That's probably one reason why specific names of dealers or techs are almost never mentioned by the poster who is talking about some negative experience.

Quite a while ago PW was forced to close a thread critical of a now closed NYC dealer because the dealer threatened a lawsuit.

Dealers certainly don't want to have to deal with every negative post even if the post is not true. Not everyone is knowledgeable or fair or honest so I think a lot of the reviews would be of little value. I've also read positive comments on PW that I thought were either silly or untrue.

There is no reason why information about a specific industry professional can't be done exclusively through PMs.

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Re: yelp for piano professionals? [Re: Ritz] #2744569
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Originally Posted by Ritz
Given a sufficient sample (10's or 100's of reviews), I think things even out and the outliers (both positive and negative) tend to cancel out.
I think it's unlikely that anyone would get even 10's of reviewsl PW has many tens of thousands of members but only around 100 members that I would call regular posters.
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If I was a PTG member, I personally would encourage reviews and honest criticism/praise and would be suspicious of anyone who thought that was a bad idea. Just my 2 cents. Hold people accountable and also praise folks that do great work.
Even one or two bad reviews can cause a problem for an industry pro. Not everyone who writes a review is honest or knowledgeable or fair. "Great work" does not have the same meaning for everyone.

Re: yelp for piano professionals? [Re: NYSteve] #2744572
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
For starters, I think many people with negative experiences with techs or dealers would not be willing to post about it because of the possible legal issues. Is the potential hassle worth the temporary satisfaction of getting even with an industry pro that has given bad service? Even if the criticism was fair, how many would want to risk possible legal action just to post their review?

I see your point, and I agree about avoiding the hassle of possibly having to hire an attorney in a libel/defamation law suit. On the other hand, it is my understanding that if what you are saying (on a public forum or not) is true, and can be proven so, it is not defamation/libel; a defamation/libel action involves making false and defamatory comments about someone or some business entity to others. But even a frivolous law suit could cost you, big-time. That is why a letter from an attorney can often get results, whether there is actually grounds for a case or not.

And, I agree that ones reputation precedes them, always, for better or worse.

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Re: yelp for piano professionals? [Re: NYSteve] #2744581
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@pianoloverus the liability issue is up to the poster to worry about but has not been an issue in other forums where reviews are often posted.

In other areas, it’s clear that reviews benefit not only the consumers (for having transparent information) but the best proprietors (for being shown to be so).

I’m wondering what it is about pianos that people think might be different?

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I think it is probably common for all established businesses to dread comparison and review sites as they challenge their business sustainability.

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Many new businesses love them as they provide an opportunity to get established and gain custom. Some established businesses of course already have great practice and will gain from reviews, others rise to the challenge and like the best of the newcomers take extraordinary care that user satisfaction is high. Overall I think there has in general been a huge improvement in customer service across all products over the last ten years and I welcome the ability to compare suppliers by something other than just price.

I don't think Pianos are different at all. I also think that just like Amazon, ebay and every supplier that can manage it hosting reviews there will inevitably arise a review site for piano professionals, whether that is Pianoworld or not.

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Originally Posted by NYSteve
In other areas, it’s clear that reviews benefit not only the consumers (for having transparent information) but the best proprietors (for being shown to be so).
I don't think it's clear that reviews do what you say.

Take restaurant reviews in NYC. Almost every restaurant has some terrible reviews that can be so off putting that they discourage people from trying the place. Anyone can write a review anonymously and a disgruntled person can even write many about the same place. I also think it's true that some people get paid to write good or bad reviews.

I think reviews from a magazine like Consumer Reports are much more valuable and meaningful.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
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Take restaurant reviews in NYC. Almost every restaurant has some terrible reviews that can be so off putting that they discourage people from trying the place. Anyone can write a review anonymously and a disgruntled person can even write many about the same place. I also think it's true that some people get paid to write good or bad reviews.
I think reviews from a magazine like Consumer Reports are much more valuable and meaningful.


It is probably unrealistic to expect only good reviews and no bad ones. The trick is to provide good service and communicate with your customers so that there are as few as possible disgruntled customers. Many companies seem to go to quite extraordinary lengths to do this so perhaps it is a winning strategy, obviously it has a cost but the intelligent consumer might be happy to bear a cost for good and reliable service. Personally I tend to ignore the odd shocking review if the majority are positive and especially if some reviews mention mistakes or shortcomings being rectified properly.

Consumer reports I don't know. Great for things like washing machines but once you go into more specialised areas they don't actually do real comparative testing test themselves and their knowledge seems very scanty at times - I guess we can't all be expert at everything.

Maybe an ideal system would be for businesses to encourage a review and provide a transaction code to some independent review site. That tx might allow just one review to be posted and prevent some abuse of the system. As far as I know such a system doesn't exist yet ...

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A town with 100 restaurants serving a million or more meals per year might have two piano stores selling a few dozen pianos. A piano dealer posting negative reviews about his only competitor would have a much greater "false-negative impact" than in the restaurant world, and the temptation to do it would also be greater.

The first few years after I purchased my piano, I received occasional phone calls from people who were considering a purchase from my dealer, since I had given permission to use my name as a referral. Most neighborhoods in my town are connected via a social media site where people post things like "Who knows a good carpenter?" It seems to me that this type of direct communication is more appropriate for the piano industry than a yelp-style model where the reviews are often anonymous.

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My experience with Angies list was bad.

They claimed there were several reviews of my work which I could only access if I paid them a fee. When I paid the fee, guess what; NO REVIEWS!


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Yelp, Angies List, TrueCar, Amazon and other "review-based" sites are entirely untrustworthy.

After learning about the opaque "revenue models" behind these sites, it becomes clear how crooked the "reviews" are. Paid reviews, fake reviews, paid placement, deleted posts, edited posts, "consulting fees", bullying by competitors, bullying by the review sites themselves...the list goes on.

Thanks to the law of large numbers, a few good "reviews" inevitably spill out. But that is just luck.

Word of mouth is still the best source for advise.

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Originally Posted by gwing
Consumer reports I don't know. Great for things like washing machines but once you go into more specialised areas they don't actually do real comparative testing test themselves and their knowledge seems very scanty at times - I guess we can't all be expert at everything.
Not sure what you mean by specialized areas. As far as I know they always do their own testing. Obviously, one cannot expect their reviews of something like cars or computers to be as extensive as a magazine that only deals with cars or computers.

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It you're talking musicians it aleady exists. Look at Gigmasters.

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Yelp, Angies List, TrueCar, Amazon and other "review-based" sites are entirely untrustworthy.
Word of mouth is still the best source for advise.


Sure, word of mouth is always going to be the best. However.....I'll wager that most folks under the age of say....45 probably look online for reviews of anything and those are likely what they'll base purchasing choices on. If they happen to know someone who has personal advice, that's awesome. However, I suspect that will be consulted less and less the younger the audience gets. People aren't stupid (well...not THAT stupid) and understand the concept of stacked reviews, revenge reviews, padded reviews, etc. The younger they are, the more savvy they're going to be about that. So I would think the pros in the industry would want to be more focused on finding a way to leverage this new medium of reaching customers rather than writing it off as a waste of time. The low hanging fruit is probably always going to involve having a relationship with a dealer (or dealers) who will give your contact info to folks that buy product from their brick and mortar stores. No real way of a buyer avoiding that interaction due to the physical constraints around the inability to try a piano before buying it and then all the hassle around getting one from point A to point B. But even that will somewhat go away over time. I know quite a few people who bought a car by seeing one on the street and then pointing and clicking their way to one showing up at a local dealer where they just signed on the dotted line and drove away.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
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Consumer reports I don't know. Great for things like washing machines but once you go into more specialised areas they don't actually do real comparative testing test themselves and their knowledge seems very scanty at times - I guess we can't all be expert at everything.
Not sure what you mean by specialized areas. As far as I know they always do their own testing. Obviously, one cannot expect their reviews of something like cars or computers to be as extensive as a magazine that only deals with cars or computers.


Yes, Consumer Reports does ALL of their testing themselves! They are about the most unbiased reviewers I know.

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This may be getting a bit OT, but I talked to a guy about a month ago who said he bought a late model Dodge-Ram pick-up truck from a large local auto dealer. He said when he was washing and detailing the new-to-him truck, he noticed underneath the truck on the right side that there was evidence, strong evidence, that the truck had been wrecked and then repaired; he said there were non-OEM metal brackets welded between the body parts and the frame all along the right side (which were not on the left side) and he could see over-spray underneath where the truck had been repainted. What was so surprising was the fact that he said he had gotten a clean CarFax on the vehicle before he bought it that showed no accidents or repair. So, even CarFax can be wrong and can't be fully trusted to give a true and accurate record of the history of a pre-owned vehicle (according to this guys experience).

The guy said he talked to the general manager of the dealership, which is the largest in our local area, and they agreed to give him what he paid for the Dodge Ram truck on a new pick-up truck of his choice. He chose a new Nissan Titan, which he said he was very pleased with.

It just goes to show that it is difficult to know who to trust, or which Yelp-like review companies to believe. You just have to gather your data, analyze it and make a decision one way or another and hope for the best...

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Consumer reports I don't know. Great for things like washing machines but once you go into more specialised areas they don't actually do real comparative testing test themselves and their knowledge seems very scanty at times - I guess we can't all be expert at everything.
Not sure what you mean by specialized areas. As far as I know they always do their own testing. Obviously, one cannot expect their reviews of something like cars or computers to be as extensive as a magazine that only deals with cars or computers.


Yes, Consumer Reports does ALL of their testing themselves! They are about the most unbiased reviewers I know.


Indeed, they do claim and I have no reason to doubt that they do their own testing. Sometimes they do extensive tests on a significant range of competitive products, but generally only for mass market items. Sometimes they just publish a review of one isolated item without details of what testing they actually did on it and sometimes the review/test coverage is between the two extremes. I give them the benefit of the doubt that they have actually used/tested everything they give an opinion on and that the reviews are at least less biased than anything else I'm likely to read (which is praise not criticism).

Yet, say CR publish a small article on a single piano model saying it sounds nice, is reasonably competitively priced in the market,had no apparent faults in the supplied item, is available in a range of colours to match your decor, and is both compact and lightweight so that you can fit it in most homes and get it delivered by mail order if you wish. That information might be valuable to an average CR reader with no specific interest in pianos but possibly considering one at some time but I suggest would not be a useful source of information for most of the folks here, who I believe might make their selection on criteria outside the scope of a general purpose consumer review.

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The younger they are, the more savvy they're going to be...


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