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Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: slobajudge] #2744023
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I have to say i'm loving this piano. Full library here.

The release samples are what make it a step ahead of other libraries. I never enjoyed playing soft lyrical melodies as much as i enjoy doing it on this piano and i think that's due largely to those release samples.

After experimenting for couple days, i decided not to touch the velocity sensitivity anymore. Setting it to negative values makes the bass buttery and it loses definition, which is a big NO for me. Leaving it at 0 works best for me.

Here's a little lively short jam i did to test how the bass reacts to the type of music i play: https://instaud.io/2jdx

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Originally Posted by tdwctdwc
I have to say i'm loving this piano. Full library here...

Here's a little lively short jam i did to test how the bass reacts to the type of music i play: https://instaud.io/2jdx


That was cool. Was that a custom preset? If it was, care to share? Thanks.

God Bless,
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Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: David B] #2744091
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I have to say i'm loving this piano. Full library here...

Here's a little lively short jam i did to test how the bass reacts to the type of music i play: https://instaud.io/2jdx


That was cool. Was that a custom preset? If it was, care to share? Thanks.

God Bless,
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"Player" preset + Close 2 mic (volume slider at -10.9 db). Everything else left at default untouched, including the reverb.

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Originally Posted by tdwctdwc

"Player" preset + Close 2 mic (volume slider at -10.9 db). Everything else left at default untouched, including the reverb.


Player decca, room mix, or surround? Thanks.


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"Player" preset + Close 2 mic (volume slider at -10.9 db). Everything else left at default untouched, including the reverb.


Player decca, room mix, or surround? Thanks.



Room Mix. Just the Player preset, the one you choose on the main GUI besides "Intimate' presets and others.

Welcome.

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Originally Posted by tdwctdwc

Room Mix. Just the Player preset, the one you choose on the main GUI besides "Intimate' presets and others.

Welcome.


Thanks. I tend to gravitate toward the room mix.


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Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: slobajudge] #2744273
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They updated CFX to 1.0.750.

Synchron Pianos software :
http://www.vsl.co.at/en/MyDownloads/Software_Installers

Updated Manual :
http://www.vsl.co.at/en/MyDownloads/Software_Manuals

This is Change Log :
• Added: "Release Extension" algorithm and parameters (EDIT View)
• Added: "Release Sample level" parameter (EDIT View)
• Fixed: Folder selection bug in library installer
• Fixed: Occasional crashes on plug-in insert

They seem to fix release issue.

Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: slobajudge] #2744321
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Yes, indeed. Well worth downloading if you haven't already. Kudos to the developers for listening to the community and introducing these new controls go some way towards fixing a couple of issues with the sound.

The release extension parameter, which is somewhat mis-named, is actually a crossfade control. In recent versions, VSL increased the duration of the main sample after the key is released in order to better blend with the release sample. Unfortunately, that introduced issues into the sound, in the opinion of some of us at least, so they have provided a crossfade control which can be used to adjust the length of that and customise it to how you want.

The release sample level parameter, as the name suggests, allows adjustment of the level (and by extension, the duration) of the release sample. That's to address the common complaint that even with reverb turned off, the sound on most of the mics is still quite "room heavy", i.e. there is strong resonance in the release samples, and this allows you to damp it down a bit.

Like the Garritan CFX, this is never going to sound great as an entirely dry piano and there are better options out there if you want that, but these controls do extend the usability considerably in my view, so definitely a good thing.


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Thanks for the update. Stupid question here, how do I apply the update? Do I just install the new ViennaSynchronPianos file and overwrite? Or do I also have to update the VSL downloader and/or the library files?

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Originally Posted by karvala
Yes, indeed. Well worth downloading if you haven't already. Kudos to the developers for listening to the community and introducing these new controls go some way towards fixing a couple of issues with the sound.

The release extension parameter, which is somewhat mis-named, is actually a crossfade control. In recent versions, VSL increased the duration of the main sample after the key is released in order to better blend with the release sample. Unfortunately, that introduced issues into the sound, in the opinion of some of us at least, so they have provided a crossfade control which can be used to adjust the length of that and customise it to how you want.

The release sample level parameter, as the name suggests, allows adjustment of the level (and by extension, the duration) of the release sample. That's to address the common complaint that even with reverb turned off, the sound on most of the mics is still quite "room heavy", i.e. there is strong resonance in the release samples, and this allows you to damp it down a bit.

Like the Garritan CFX, this is never going to sound great as an entirely dry piano and there are better options out there if you want that, but these controls do extend the usability considerably in my view, so definitely a good thing.

Agree, release sample lever finally remove tail from notes if anybody wish so. I still want that higher notes sounds more fuller like Garritan cfx but this is not possible to change.

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Originally Posted by Grazilerimba
Thanks for the update. Stupid question here, how do I apply the update? Do I just install the new ViennaSynchronPianos file and overwrite? Or do I also have to update the VSL downloader and/or the library files?


Just install the new file; it will automatically uninstall the previous version as part of that. No need to use the downloader, move any library files or anything like that. Literally just download the new Synchron Pianos file, run it and that will do everything. Previous shortcuts will even still work, and previous presets etc. will all still be present.


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Originally Posted by karvala
Yes, indeed. Well worth downloading if you haven't already. Kudos to the developers for listening to the community and introducing these new controls go some way towards fixing a couple of issues with the sound.

The release extension parameter, which is somewhat mis-named, is actually a crossfade control. In recent versions, VSL increased the duration of the main sample after the key is released in order to better blend with the release sample. Unfortunately, that introduced issues into the sound, in the opinion of some of us at least, so they have provided a crossfade control which can be used to adjust the length of that and customise it to how you want.

The release sample level parameter, as the name suggests, allows adjustment of the level (and by extension, the duration) of the release sample. That's to address the common complaint that even with reverb turned off, the sound on most of the mics is still quite "room heavy", i.e. there is strong resonance in the release samples, and this allows you to damp it down a bit.

Like the Garritan CFX, this is never going to sound great as an entirely dry piano and there are better options out there if you want that, but these controls do extend the usability considerably in my view, so definitely a good thing.

Agree, release sample lever finally remove tail from notes if anybody wish so. I still want that higher notes sounds more fuller like Garritan cfx but this is not possible to change.


Yes, indeed. Not sure you can really make them fuller, but one thing I have done in my presets is actually increased the amplitude of the higher notes on a sort of stepped scale starting at about +0.5 around C5 and going to about +3.0 up the top. It certainly helps to improve the balance against the stronger low notes.


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Thanks for the update. Stupid question here, how do I apply the update? Do I just install the new ViennaSynchronPianos file and overwrite? Or do I also have to update the VSL downloader and/or the library files?


Just install the new file; it will automatically uninstall the previous version as part of that. No need to use the downloader, move any library files or anything like that. Literally just download the new Synchron Pianos file, run it and that will do everything. Previous shortcuts will even still work, and previous presets etc. will all still be present.


Thank you, will check it out now. Very curious after what you wrote.

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Originally Posted by karvala
Yes, indeed. Not sure you can really make them fuller, but one thing I have done in my presets is actually increased the amplitude of the higher notes on a sort of stepped scale starting at about +0.5 around C5 and going to about +3.0 up the top. It certainly helps to improve the balance against the stronger low notes.

Thanks, I will try that

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So I installed the update, and the installation was smooth. Phew!
Can someone tell me if it is somehow possible with these new controls to turn off the release samples completely?

I tried messing around a bit with the new settings, but could not change the issues I have with the release samples. I'd like to try to turn them off completely. Or make them very, very quiet.

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Originally Posted by karvala

Yes, indeed. Not sure you can really make them fuller, but one thing I have done in my presets is actually increased the amplitude of the higher notes on a sort of stepped scale starting at about +0.5 around C5 and going to about +3.0 up the top. It certainly helps to improve the balance against the stronger low notes.


Amen!

I really love the "default" preset you sent me. Here is song from my piano course that I’m taking (I’m an adult beginner). I'm using your preset. However, I made two slight changes,

1. I brought the midi sensitivity back to zero (I think you had it at -6).

2. I changed the Dynamic to 85 (yours was at 100). To my ears and through my monitors this brightened the sound a little bit.

I might have damaged my high frequency hearing somewhat do to all the shooting I did when I was younger. So I usually end up making things a little brighter. It’s a beautiful preset that uses 6 mics and is very even across the keyboard due to your upper registry editing.

There is no additional processing on this sound. I recorded it in MainStage (AIFF) and copied it to iMovie. I'll play it once as written in the lesson book and then arranged according to our lesson instruction.



God Bless,
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Originally Posted by karvala

Yes, indeed. Not sure you can really make them fuller, but one thing I have done in my presets is actually increased the amplitude of the higher notes on a sort of stepped scale starting at about +0.5 around C5 and going to about +3.0 up the top. It certainly helps to improve the balance against the stronger low notes.


As soon as I buy this VI a months ago, I increased the amplitude of the higher notes like you do and also decreased the dynamic range of some notes.
This resulted in a little bit fuller sound in the higher notes. I'm satisfied.

With the recent update, it became much closer to the sound of real piano.

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Originally Posted by angmyu
With the recent update, it became much closer to the sound of real piano.

Yeah.. something is different besides the new release samples controls.
The piano tone seems warmer, more real or maybe has lost a kind of hardness that was there before. I can't put my finger on what's different exactly - but it sounds more musical overall.
Is it just my imagination, or other people noticed that?


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Originally Posted by tdwctdwc
I have to say i'm loving this piano. Full library here.

The release samples are what make it a step ahead of other libraries. I never enjoyed playing soft lyrical melodies as much as i enjoy doing it on this piano and i think that's due largely to those release samples.

After experimenting for couple days, i decided not to touch the velocity sensitivity anymore. Setting it to negative values makes the bass buttery and it loses definition, which is a big NO for me. Leaving it at 0 works best for me.

Here's a little lively short jam i did to test how the bass reacts to the type of music i play: https://instaud.io/2jdx


Some great playing there! Certainly leaving the velocity sensitivity increases the definition of the bass, so for this type of repertoire that makes a lot of sense. Sounds terrific.


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I have to say i'm loving this piano. Full library here.

The release samples are what make it a step ahead of other libraries. I never enjoyed playing soft lyrical melodies as much as i enjoy doing it on this piano and i think that's due largely to those release samples.

After experimenting for couple days, i decided not to touch the velocity sensitivity anymore. Setting it to negative values makes the bass buttery and it loses definition, which is a big NO for me. Leaving it at 0 works best for me.

Here's a little lively short jam i did to test how the bass reacts to the type of music i play: https://instaud.io/2jdx


Some great playing there! Certainly leaving the velocity sensitivity increases the definition of the bass, so for this type of repertoire that makes a lot of sense. Sounds terrific.
Thank you very much appreciated. One thing i'm kind bummed about is that so far, i haven't found a use for the close 2 mic. Still i'm glad i upgraded to the full library.

But i have to say that Paul and the team did a great job making those Close 1 mic presets in the standard version, i barely find myself tweaking them any further as they sound great as they are, except maybe adding some volume to the C4 and C5 octaves in the edit page.

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Originally Posted by Grazilerimba
So I installed the update, and the installation was smooth. Phew!
Can someone tell me if it is somehow possible with these new controls to turn off the release samples completely?

I tried messing around a bit with the new settings, but could not change the issues I have with the release samples. I'd like to try to turn them off completely. Or make them very, very quiet.


Yes, but it's worth noting first that sound that continues in any way after you have ceased to hold the key or press the pedal actually comes from three sources, so if your aim is turn that off entirely (which will sound ultra-dry, and probably not very nice!), you'll need to do three things:-

1. Set the RS Level parameter to -Inf. That will turn off the release samples entirely.
2. Turn off Reverb.
3. Remove any continuation of the main sample by setting RX Fix to 0s. You can also, for completeness, turn off Repetition Smear so you don't get any influence of the previous event when playing the same note repeatedly.

That should eliminate all sound as soon as the pedal or key are released. It will sound strange, though!


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I have to say i'm loving this piano. Full library here.

The release samples are what make it a step ahead of other libraries. I never enjoyed playing soft lyrical melodies as much as i enjoy doing it on this piano and i think that's due largely to those release samples.

After experimenting for couple days, i decided not to touch the velocity sensitivity anymore. Setting it to negative values makes the bass buttery and it loses definition, which is a big NO for me. Leaving it at 0 works best for me.

Here's a little lively short jam i did to test how the bass reacts to the type of music i play: https://instaud.io/2jdx


Some great playing there! Certainly leaving the velocity sensitivity increases the definition of the bass, so for this type of repertoire that makes a lot of sense. Sounds terrific.
Thank you very much appreciated. One thing i'm kind bummed about is that so far, i haven't found a use for the close 2 mic. Still i'm glad i upgraded to the full library.

But i have to say that Paul and the team did a great job making those Close 1 mic presets in the standard version, i barely find myself tweaking them any further as they sound great as they are, except maybe adding some volume to the C4 and C5 octaves in the edit page.


Have you tried using Close 1 and Close 2 together, with one slightly louder than the other? I picked up that idea from someone else over at VSL and I find that it does help to make the close sound a bit fuller. Mind you, again, that might not be quite what you're aiming for in that style of music where you might want a more tight and focused sound, but for some things it works quite well. Also helps to mask the phase issues in the Close 1 mic a bit, which is my only serious remaining criticism of it.

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I have to say i'm loving this piano. Full library here.

The release samples are what make it a step ahead of other libraries. I never enjoyed playing soft lyrical melodies as much as i enjoy doing it on this piano and i think that's due largely to those release samples.

After experimenting for couple days, i decided not to touch the velocity sensitivity anymore. Setting it to negative values makes the bass buttery and it loses definition, which is a big NO for me. Leaving it at 0 works best for me.

Here's a little lively short jam i did to test how the bass reacts to the type of music i play: https://instaud.io/2jdx


Some great playing there! Certainly leaving the velocity sensitivity increases the definition of the bass, so for this type of repertoire that makes a lot of sense. Sounds terrific.
Thank you very much appreciated. One thing i'm kind bummed about is that so far, i haven't found a use for the close 2 mic. Still i'm glad i upgraded to the full library.

But i have to say that Paul and the team did a great job making those Close 1 mic presets in the standard version, i barely find myself tweaking them any further as they sound great as they are, except maybe adding some volume to the C4 and C5 octaves in the edit page.


Have you tried using Close 1 and Close 2 together, with one slightly louder than the other? I picked up that idea from someone else over at VSL and I find that it does help to make the close sound a bit fuller. Mind you, again, that might not be quite what you're aiming for in that style of music where you might want a more tight and focused sound, but for some things it works quite well.

Precisely, the custom preset in the audio clip i posted above has actually close 2 mic blended at about -11 db but then the next day i decided to get rid of the close 2 mic all together and only use the close 1 mic smile

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Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: David B] #2744817
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Yes, indeed. Not sure you can really make them fuller, but one thing I have done in my presets is actually increased the amplitude of the higher notes on a sort of stepped scale starting at about +0.5 around C5 and going to about +3.0 up the top. It certainly helps to improve the balance against the stronger low notes.


Amen!

I really love the "default" preset you sent me. Here is song from my piano course that I’m taking (I’m an adult beginner). I'm using your preset. However, I made two slight changes,

1. I brought the midi sensitivity back to zero (I think you had it at -6).

2. I changed the Dynamic to 85 (yours was at 100). To my ears and through my monitors this brightened the sound a little bit.

I might have damaged my high frequency hearing somewhat do to all the shooting I did when I was younger. So I usually end up making things a little brighter. It’s a beautiful preset that uses 6 mics and is very even across the keyboard due to your upper registry editing.

There is no additional processing on this sound. I recorded it in MainStage (AIFF) and copied it to iMovie. I'll play it once as written in the lesson book and then arranged according to our lesson instruction.



God Bless,
David



Sounds great; and there's some great playing there David; you sound far from a beginner. I can understand that with Midi sensitivity; some people prefer a brighter sound, and it also partly depends on the velocity curve of the attached instrument, so if it works for you, then great. Reducing the Dynamic slightly does indeed brighten the sound by pushing it into slightly higher velocity layers on average.


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Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: Erard] #2744818
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With the recent update, it became much closer to the sound of real piano.

Yeah.. something is different besides the new release samples controls.
The piano tone seems warmer, more real or maybe has lost a kind of hardness that was there before. I can't put my finger on what's different exactly - but it sounds more musical overall.
Is it just my imagination, or other people noticed that?


Well spotted! You're right; there were other small tweaks to the main sample in addition to those two parameters.


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Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: karvala] #2744853
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Thanks for clearing that up!
It's great they continue to tweak the tone - and in the right direction IMO.
Also the sustain seems more wet - although I would prefer even more obvious sustain resonance. As it is now, it's dryer than my acoustic.

May I ask where you got that piece of info? I checked the VSL forums before posting here, but couldn't find anything about it.

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Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: Erard] #2744861
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I did beta testing of some interim versions.


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Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: karvala] #2744862
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I see. Thanks.


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Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: karvala] #2744946
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So I installed the update, and the installation was smooth. Phew!
Can someone tell me if it is somehow possible with these new controls to turn off the release samples completely?

I tried messing around a bit with the new settings, but could not change the issues I have with the release samples. I'd like to try to turn them off completely. Or make them very, very quiet.


Yes, but it's worth noting first that sound that continues in any way after you have ceased to hold the key or press the pedal actually comes from three sources, so if your aim is turn that off entirely (which will sound ultra-dry, and probably not very nice!), you'll need to do three things:-

1. Set the RS Level parameter to -Inf. That will turn off the release samples entirely.
2. Turn off Reverb.
3. Remove any continuation of the main sample by setting RX Fix to 0s. You can also, for completeness, turn off Repetition Smear so you don't get any influence of the previous event when playing the same note repeatedly.

That should eliminate all sound as soon as the pedal or key are released. It will sound strange, though!



Thank you very much for this. I set the RS Level to -Inf and that alone did the trick. In fact, putting it at -3 or -4 is already sufficient, the annoying sound is still there but it's very quiet and barely noticeable anymore.

I gotta say, revisiting this instrument feels nice. It's very playable, and as I said earlier in this thread, it feels like having an actual instrument in front of me.

Now what's still annoying me is the out of tune notes and the ones that are sticking out. Also I still have it that I play and something just doesn't sound right but I can't pinpoint what it is. I started using the key editor and was able to at least smooth things out a little bit, but this is gonna be a lot of work and I'm still not satisfied after spending a few hours on it earlier. That I'm now able to remove those annoying release samples made this instrument viable again though, so I'll try to put some more time into it. Thanks.

Re: New incoming Yamaha CFX vst from VSL [Re: slobajudge] #2753698
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Synchron Piano software was updated today. Version 1.0.835

Change Catalog says:

July 24th, 2018
Synchron Pianos 1.0.835

• Improved: GUI opening speed
• Improved: Preset loading times
• Improved: CPU usage of built-in mixer
• Fixed: Some notes having an unnatural fade-in
• Fixed: Possible hang during mixdown
• Fixed: An issue which could cause a hang on a disk streaming dropout
• Fixed: Flickering voice counter in status bar
• Fixed: A crash when double-clicking the CPU meter

God Bless,
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