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Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: Rosewood17] #2658372
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Originally Posted by Rosewood17
... but I am curious about the "random shutdown." ....


Do you use the lid in the full back position or the position that cover the display?
Does anyone noticed a difference in relation to the random shutdown / reboot?

I use it covering the display.

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Originally Posted by m8118
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... but I am curious about the "random shutdown." ....


Do you use the lid in the full back position or the position that cover the display?
Does anyone noticed a difference in relation to the random shutdown / reboot?

I use it covering the display.



I use the lid in the full back position. It only happens when the piano first turns on, and hadn't happened for more than a month--then this topic came up, and it happened yesterday (turned on, then immediately rebooted)! I think it was jinxed by this forum. I need to move my laptop further away from my piano. . .


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Originally Posted by m8118
[quote=Rosewood17]..... When I FIRST got my piano, it would (sometimes) randomly shut down.....
the dealer was incredulous about the problem.....


I just reported this to my piano dealer - they didn't know about it either frown
But they are investigating with Roland... I'll wait.

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Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan] #2659064
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I also experience the random shutdown behaviour - the problem for debug is that it is very infrequent although it seems to go in bursts. Like 2 or 3 times over a day or two, and then nothing for a couple of months.

I also keep the cover in the fully open position if that matters.

If it gets worse, I will have to make a call to Roland but I would like it to becomes more frequent before doing so.

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Originally Posted by bmac.to

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I also keep the cover in the fully open position if that matters.
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It seems it doesn't matter the position of the cover...
Rosewood17 seems to have an LX7 - I didn't know there were two playing position for the cover in the LX7...
Also seems that both the recent HP and LX series have the same problem.

I used to have the cover in the full open position but while playing on a mechanical (real) piano I realized that extra space doesn't exist and I shouldn't get used to it.



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Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: m8118] #2659240
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Also seems that both the recent HP and LX series have the same problem.



Sounds like they may have used a cheap micro-switch that's prone to failure. Maybe it's sensitive to the lid alignment/tolerances too e.g. the lid could be pressing too hard on the switch causing premature failure. I'm just guessing, but I can easily imagine a switch issue of some kind. Haven't had any issue with my GP607 yet (which has a sliding lid), but probably uses the same switch.


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Originally Posted by m8118
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I have the sennheisers HD598 - these DO NOT WORK well with the HP605.
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My quest for better headphones sound is coming to an end.
I didn't have to buy new expensive headphones - I bought a cheap headphone amplifier and I'm now happy.

Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: Pete14] #2663878
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Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: Peakski] #2663951
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Originally Posted by Peakski
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Sounds like they may have used a cheap micro-switch that's prone to failure. Maybe it's sensitive to the lid alignment/tolerances too e.g. the lid could be pressing too hard on the switch causing premature failure. I'm just guessing, but I can easily imagine a switch issue of some kind. Haven't had any issue with my GP607 yet (which has a sliding lid), but probably uses the same switch.

The techinitian from Roland was here today to replace the switch on my HP605.
He confirmed this is an upgraded swtich.

I asked him if the 607 had the same switch but he didn't know.
I doubt Roland wants anything to do with faulty switches - my bet is that they had enough time and motivation to upgrade the 607 switch and probably any new HP and LX... just a guess.

Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan] #2664107
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Well, it has happened a couple more times since my last post. Did you contact your dealer or did you contact Roland directly through their website? It is SO intermittent that I am really hesitant to ask for a repair. On the other hand, if it is a known issue and Roland will upgrade the switch so that it doesn't continue to happen (and become more frequent), maybe it would be worth contacting someone about it. (As I said previously, my dealer kind of laughed at me although he did say it would be covered under warranty--he just didn't think it was possible that a new piano would be shutting down randomly. It was a floor model and he indicated that it had not happened in the store.)


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Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: Rosewood17] #2664141
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Originally Posted by Rosewood17

... Did you contact your dealer or did you contact Roland directly through their website? It is SO intermittent that I am really hesitant to ask for a repair.
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I contacted the dealer. They didn't know about it but didn't doubt me for a second.
The dealer contacted Roland and Roland confirmed this is a known problem.
My dealer thanked me for telling them about it.

it is really intermittent but you are playing constantly afraid that the piano will shut down on you, it's a really severe problem.
I had it happening 4 times in one hour, two other times on the same day and then perfectly ok for 2 weeks.

I kind of relate it to hot or humid weather... anyone can confirm that?

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Does this shut down problem only occur when the piano has been powered on by opening the slow fall lid? If the piano is turned on using the power button, do you get the shut down problem?

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I'm not sure, but it has seemed to be related to the lid in most cases (after powering on by opening the lid). One time the lid was covering the digital controls (pulled partway out) and when I moved the lid open all the way to change something the piano shut off (this did not make sense, since it is closing the lid-not opening it-that is supposed to shut off the piano). There was one instance when it happened during one of the demo songs though (lid not involved at all). I can't say it has been related to humidity as it is pretty humid here all summer long (hasn't seemed to be related to rainy days or anything though).

(I don't have a slow fall lid. I have a sliding lid.)


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Re: New Series of HP and LX Pianos from Roland [Re: JayGVan] #2664830
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Haha had the same problem with HP 605 shutting down on it's own randomly this year. I had my lid power switch replaced and it's fine since then. So yeah it seems like a switch problem.

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Originally Posted by m8118
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PS
Another thing that fixed it self after the summer was the dirty/sticky keys to the touch (not locked keys, just feel dirty), I was cleaning the keyboard daily frown - two things I'll report back in the next summer.

Well, summer was a bit different this year, we only had a couple of weeks of hotter and humid days.

And it's confirmed:
the keys do get sticky to the fingers on the more humid weather.
After those few hot and humid days the keys "clean" themselves, it "fixed" it self.

As I understand Japan is very humid in the summer - how did this pass Roland QA during the ivory feel development? Are they in Hokkaido?
Is it the same on the other PHA ivory feel versions?

PS
I didn't need to turn on the air conditioning all summer long - I'll turn it on next year to try to avoid this problem and report back next summer wink

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Originally Posted by m8118
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the keys do get sticky to the fingers on the more humid weather.
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From youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-yQO0sD6SQ&feature=youtu.be&t=35
(that was for the HP207)

"The keys are also design to absorb moisture while playing"

That's your problem right there!:
over saturated with moisture and no wood behind the ivory feel to help dissipate it!

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Might work well if you have dry fingers occasionally . . . .


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Originally Posted by peterws
Might work well if you have dry fingers occasionally . . . .

Apparently you didn't
see my other post where I
say that I'm playing for over 36 years.
Humid weather makes this worst
on the summer time this is really bad.
luckily this year we hardly
even had a few days of that.

so I'm sorry if forgot to mention:
I'm playing piano for over 40 years,
give me a bit of credit.

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Originally Posted by m8118

the keys do get sticky to the fingers on the more humid weather.
After those few hot and humid days the keys "clean" themselves, it "fixed" it self.
all summer long - I'll turn it on next year to try to avoid this problem and report back next summer wink


I've always felt (and have mentioned before) that wet or dry, the "Ivory Feel" used in Roland's keyboards are the "stickiest" of of any AP or DP I've ever encountered. The thing this, I kind of like it, since my fingers don't accidentally slip onto the wrong key.

Originally Posted by m8118
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"The keys are also design to absorb moisture while playing"


Yeah, well...I've seen this quote from multiple manufacturers tooting their own "Ivory feel" or "Ivorite" or "Ivoryette" treatments. It seems to be a pretty common selling point.


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
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I've always felt (and have mentioned before) that wet or dry, the "Ivory Feel" used in Roland's keyboards are the "stickiest" of of any AP or DP I've ever encountered...

I do try to find other posts on the subjects I post... but I never found yours...
Maybe I'm not crazy...

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I own FP90, comparing to my parents acoustic baby grand keys personally I find pha-50 keys surface very slippery.
The acoustic one is the classical glossy surface that in some manner catch your finger without being sticky. No lateral movements, only up-downward.
I simply love it. Never liked plastic 'ivory' like finishes, tried both kawaii and casio.
Maybe it's just me, I seldom sweat and I don't leave in a wet climate.

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Along with the guy who posted it . . . .


I hope not!!!!


Only if the original poster went to work for Nikon smile

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Originally Posted by EPW
Originally Posted by JayGVan
Originally Posted by peterws
Originally Posted by Pete14
We're almost there, you guys!
Only 137 posts left to hit 2K.
At 2K the thread will self-destruct.


Along with the guy who posted it . . . .


I hope not!!!!


Only if the original poster went to work for Nikon smile


Well crap....I'm gonna self destruct then.....Better set up a couple time lapse and video cams to record it for posterity.

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Before I said:
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(*) CLP120: To me doesn't sound like a piano at all - Why did I bought it in the first place? frown


But I have to retract...
I replaced the "hammer" felts(*) and now it's usable!
Not as bad as I said...

(*) dollar store door felts of course...

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Hi,

hopefully i will receive my HP605 during next week,

Could any of the HP605 owners here be so kind to answer the following questions:

1. Would there be a disadvantage soundwise placing the HP605 with the back close / straight to a wall?

2. Where exactly are the speakers located?

3. Is there a pianoworld forumthread or another place / forum on the web, where one could discuss and / or exchange Piano Designer files?

Thank you in advance

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Originally Posted by Pianuts
1. Would there be a disadvantage soundwise placing the HP605 with the back close / straight to a wall?


Yes, but if you play around with the distance, you can get a reasonably good sound with a gap of just two or three inches.

Originally Posted by Pianuts
2. Where exactly are the speakers located?


Under the main cabinet pointing down, and in the top cabinet pointing forwards. If you read the promotional material you'll see a diagram showing the layout.

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Thanks, unfortunately i have to wait another week for the HP605.

Originally Posted by roytheboy


Originally Posted by Pianuts
2. Where exactly are the speakers located?


Under the main cabinet pointing down, and in the top cabinet pointing forwards. If you read the promotional material you'll see a diagram showing the layout.


Do you have a link to the diagram? I could only find some sort of schematics for the LX-17. I assume speaker location in HP6ß5 differs from that ...

While waiting for the HP605 to arrive, i have a question regarding the Piano Designer app.

I noticed that there are only 2 different setups for the HP605 in the app,

Is it possible to load the setups for other Roland Pianos (GP, LX etc.) into the HP605?

And ... are there any HP605 owners willing to share their custom setups / Piano Designer files here?

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I've had a quick look online but can't find the illustrations that I saw when the model first came out. You'll just have to wait a week - sorry. Before you get too involved with set-ups, may I suggest that you wait and see how you get on with the standard sounds, as you may be pleasantly surprised.

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