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Re: Duane Shinn 52 Week Crash Course [Re: TonyB] #2742532
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David_B,
I have a supsicion that if someone else posted a video and asked what you thought, you wouldn't be nearly as critical of them as you are of yourself. I don't think your runs sound bad at all! Of course they aren't going to be as good as Duane's (he's been doing this for decades and you're on year 1 or 2), but you seem to be keeping the runs in time and they flow. That's all that's required! There's nothing jarring or disconcerting about them at all. I humbly suggest that you should cut yourself some slack smile Your progress is fantastic and you should be very proud of it!

Way to go! I hope that you'll continue posting and I look forward to seeing your continued progress.

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Originally Posted by fizikisto
David_B,
I have a supsicion that if someone else posted a video and asked what you thought, you wouldn't be nearly as critical of them as you are of yourself. I don't think your runs sound bad at all! Of course they aren't going to be as good as Duane's (he's been doing this for decades and you're on year 1 or 2), but you seem to be keeping the runs in time and they flow. That's all that's required! There's nothing jarring or disconcerting about them at all. I humbly suggest that you should cut yourself some slack smile Your progress is fantastic and you should be very proud of it!

Way to go! I hope that you'll continue posting and I look forward to seeing your continued progress.

Warm Regards


Very encouraging words, thank you!

There are two songs in lesson 27 and both of them offer the opportunity to work on runs. I’m hoping to have lesson 27 done sometime next week and I think I will record Santa Lucia which is one of the songs.

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Here is a song from lesson 27 that I like. I don’t know most of the songs in this course but I remember hearing this one (Santa Lucia) growing up. No new arrangement techniques were taught in this lesson. It’s arranged based on what was taught in the past. I’ll play it first as written and then arranged. The piano sound is my new VSL CFX



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I finished lesson 28. There are two songs covered in this lesson and no new arrangement techniques are introduced. Duane gives some ideas on how to arrange the song I recorded by mixing up chords and arpeggios.This lesson marks the advent of the key of G. The song I recorded coincidently happens to go along with the holiday weekend. The piano sound is the VSL CFX (Karvala Preset). I'll play it once through as written and then arranged.



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Re: Duane Shinn 52 Week Crash Course [Re: TonyB] #2748137
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Very nice! And as you point out - timely! I'm anticipating September Song in a few months . . .

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Very nice! And as you point out - timely! I'm anticipating September Song in a few months . . .


America is a fun song to play. The tempo I selected is too fast for me to perform smooth runs at the end, but I like the tempo for the rest of the song.

Is "September Song" in the course? There are so many songs covered that many of them are a blur now in my mind.

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Alas, I don't think "September Song" is in the course.

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I hope everyone is having a pleasant summer. Traveling over the past few months has disrupted my regular practice, but now I'm back on schedule. Here is a song from lesson 28 (I’m currently on lesson 30). This song is fun because it’s my arrangement using the techniques taught in the previous lessons, e.g., Alberti bass, swing bass, arpeggios, and runs. I feel like my runs are starting to smooth out a bit and I’m not having to think about them as much (if that makes sense). I feel more relaxed doing them. The song is Camptown Races and I’ll play it as written and then arranged. The Piano sound is VSL CFX.



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What a coincidence - literally at approx. the time you posted I was thinking about you and your progress with the Shinn course. Thought maybe you'd just been busy - pretty sure (and hopeful) you hadn't given it up. So this is a VERY nice surprise tonight - thank you (from all your fans, too, I'm sure)!

I REALLY like when you get down at about 2:08 and take us on home - some serious funk from that point!

Btw, I'm bettin' on the bay . . .

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I REALLY like when you get down at about 2:08 and take us on home - some serious funk from that point!


Thanks.

That's one of the benefits of this course. The opportunity to develop the techniques that are taught will always be there by virtue of Duane's teaching style and the shear amount of songs covered in the course.

If I never took this course I'd only be able to play the song as written, which of course is pretty boring.

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For those who are fans of Duane, sadly he passed away on July 26 at the age of 79.
He'll be missed - after almost 15 years of using his instructional materials, I am still learning.
RIP Duane!

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So sorry to hear that,


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Originally Posted by EP
For those who are fans of Duane, sadly he passed away on July 26 at the age of 79.
He'll be missed - after almost 15 years of using his instructional materials, I am still learning.
RIP Duane!


I thought it was strange that he didn't reply personally to the last video link I sent him like he had been accustomed to doing in the past. His son Garth responded, but there was no mention of Duane's passing. I found this link to a memorial.

https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/medford-or/duane-shinn-7945936

I'll have to say that this past year and a half using Duane's materials has been one of the most enjoyable musical experiences in my life. His kindness in responding to my questions and constant affirmation served to help motivate me as I plodded along through the lessons.

My determination to finish this course has never wavered, but I feel even more inspired now to finish it in honor of Duane and his commitment to education.

Thank you Duane for touching my life with your gifts and talents. RIP

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Thought I would update where I am with the 52 week crash course. I ordered the first 4 lessons this past January. Having never played before starting this course I found it to be a real challenge. It took me about 4 months to get through the 4 lessons.

I decided I needed a teacher at least for a little while so I sought out a lady close by and she has helped fill in the blanks rally well for these last few months.

However I don’t think her style is where I want to end up so I stopped the lessons and started lesson 5 of Duane’s course this week. Things went real well but I still see each lesson taking more than a week but that is ok as I am in no hurry.

The main reason I started back is because of David’s wonderful videos he posts. Thanks to everyone who posts here for the inspiration.


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Originally Posted by dcupright


The main reason I started back is because of David’s wonderful videos he posts. Thanks to everyone who posts here for the inspiration.



Amen! smile

Different lessons have taken me a month or more to complete also. I find is hard to believe that any beginner could finish this course in a year. When I ordered the material Duane's office staff told me that the 52 Week Crash Course was three years of study material condensed. I wanted to finish it as quick as possible so I could move on to his Praise and Gospel series that I bought. However, it's been a year and a half since I started and I'm on lesson 30. So I'm on track to finish it in three years. I think the foundation this course provides is worth taking the time even if it takes three or more years to complete.

Thanks for sharing your progress. Enjoy the journey. The reward is not only at the end, but also through the process of learning week by week and day by day as you see your ability improve. Soon you'll really start for feel like a piano player.

God Bless,
David




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I just started lesson 7 today. This lesson seems like a little bit of a turning point as he really starts talking about arranging songs in different ways.

The more I get into this course the more I am convinced it is a really good way to learn to play. I don’t know much about the piano yet but what I have learned has seemed to sink in ways other courses have not provided at least for my simple mind.

One thing I did was buy a easy Fake book and have started applying what I have learned to songs that I enjoy and would want to play a long time. When I learn a new technique I start adding it to songs out of the Fake book.


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Sorry for jumping into this thread, but I'm interested in Duane's 52 Week Course, but have a few questions on whether it's right for me. (I started a separate thread here , and Doug has been kind enough to respond to it, but I'm hoping to hear from others here as well.

As I said in the other thread, I currently play at a low intermediate level and can read sheet music well, can play competently from sheet music at "my" level, but have had trouble learning to play from lead sheets. (Although I know most of the chords, I need to learn different ways of arranging, particularly to add some "meat" with the right hand.). This course looks like it might be just the ticket for me but, frankly, the price is holding me back. My questions for those kind enough to comment/respond:

1. Did you start the course as a total beginner? If not, at which lesson did you find the course to begin being useful to you (assuming that you're happy with the lessons)?

2. If necessary, can separate DVD's be purchased out-of-order? (ie - purchase DVD #3 first?) I'm pretty sure that the answer to this is NO.

3. What types of songs are used in the lessons? (Could someone perhaps provide an abbreviated listing?) Do you find them useful to "carry over" the skills you learn to other songs? ( I play mostly Great American Songbook and 70's/80's pop.)

4. Right now I'm stuck on playing (somewhat competently) from full sheet music, but am interested in "freeing" myself from the written score. If any of you found yourself in the same place, did this course help you?

Thanks!


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Newbert:

What you wish to be able to do, is exactly what this course will train you for.

If you do each lesson very carefully and thoroughly learn each skill well before moving to the next lesson, you will progress very nicely.

Not fast, mind you …. I would estimate a time period for the course of at least 2 years, and maybe 3.

However, if you finish it, I believe you will be a very fine pianist and able to play from leadsheets for material in the Great American Songbook.

And as you know from your history …. 3 years is not a long time to invest for a goal like that.


The problem you run into, as in every other self-learning course, is that you have to provide the motivation and self-discipline to do the work and not get impatient to where you begin to skip through things before you have mastered them.

You will not have a teacher to "prepare for" each week so it can get lonesome and depressing when things do not go the way you had hoped.

Only you know how you will handle that.

I am not good at that and I have started many of these courses with high hopes only to find a reason to quit a bit later.

There are some (not many) within this thread who have done very well and you will probably be hearing from some of them.

Bottom line ? This course contains exactly the material and training you are looking for.

The only question is whether or not you will stick with it long enough to benefit from it.

Good Luck


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Originally Posted by dmd

You will not have a teacher to "prepare for" each week so it can get lonesome and depressing when things do not go the way you had hoped.

Only you know how you will handle that.

I am not good at that and I have started many of these courses with high hopes only to find a reason to quit a bit later.

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The only question is whether or not you will stick with it long enough to benefit from it.

Good Luck




Yes - Unfortunately, that's been my experience with a few courses as well.

Thanks for your input, Don!


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I agree with what Don said, but would emphasize that the way the material is presented, you should start from the beginning and go through it in order rather than try to pick and choose. You can always come back to certain lessons, and you will certainly spend more time on some than on others, but the course is progressive and each lesson builds on previous lessons.
The material used is mostly pretty basic tunes; what he does to enhance and arrange them is where the meat of the course is.
I would also add that the course is not going to teach you much about jazz piano - I would say it's more oriented toward popular styles. Nor is this the only place you are going to find the information he presents.
I think the real benefit of the course is that it is presented in a progressive, approachable manner - you just need to go through it, stick with it, and you will learn a lot. If you don't commit to spending the time and doing the work, it will be just one more item on the shelf.

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Originally Posted by newbert


1. Did you start the course as a total beginner? If not, at which lesson did you find the course to begin being useful to you (assuming that you're happy with the lessons)?


I was pretty much a beginner when I started Duane's course.

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2. If necessary, can separate DVD's be purchased out-of-order? (ie - purchase DVD #3 first?) I'm pretty sure that the answer to this is NO.


I don't know. An email to Duane's office should answer that question. Even though Duane has recently passed away his lessons and material will still be available.

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3. What types of songs are used in the lessons? (Could someone perhaps provide an abbreviated listing?) Do you find them useful to "carry over" the skills you learn to other songs? ( I play mostly Great American Songbook and 70's/80's pop.)


I really only want to play mostly gospel songs, so I don't find the song selection in the course particularly inspiring. There are a lot of songs (several hundred) that you'll go through. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to make a list. Sorry.

However, I do feel everything I'm learning easily translates into the type of music I ultimately want to play.

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4. Right now I'm stuck on playing (somewhat competently) from full sheet music, but am interested in "freeing" myself from the written score. If any of you found yourself in the same place, did this course help you?


Reading music is the hardest thing for me. I don't know if I'll ever be good at it. This course is helping, but that's just one of several things being taught. Another is what you're interested in. How to arrange songs beyond what's written. Every lesson builds with different techniques and plenty of opportunities to develop them through the course.

I'm pretty sure everything I wrote is covered more extensively throughout this thread. If you haven't read through it from the beginning, you might consider it. This thread is what got me involved in Duane's course and is a wealth of great information regarding the 52 Week Crash Course.

God Bless
David


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Originally Posted by dmd
If you do each lesson very carefully and thoroughly learn each skill well before moving to the next lesson, you will progress very nicely....The problem you run into, as in every other self-learning course, is that you have to provide the motivation and self-discipline to do the work and not get impatient to where you begin to skip through things before you have mastered them.


In my humble opinion, this is singularly the most important counsel given in this thread.

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Originally Posted by EP

I think the real benefit of the course is that it is presented in a progressive, approachable manner - you just need to go through it, stick with it, and you will learn a lot. If you don't commit to spending the time and doing the work, it will be just one more item on the shelf.


Amen!

The progressive nature and systematic approach of this course really appeals to my temperament. I'm committed to finishing it, but I've ran into a problem the last two months with my work schedule and traveling. I've only clocked a few hours of practice in September. I'm really disappointed because it's thrown off my personal goal for how many hours I wanted to practice this year.

That being the case, the progressive nature of this course along with the repetitious structure has really ingrained within me what I've learned so far. That makes coming back to the piano after not practicing for weeks a lot easier.

Hopefully, by the end of October I can be back on track. This is the problem being an adult beginner. Adult situations arise.

God Bless,
David


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Originally Posted by David B
This is the problem being an adult beginner. Adult situations arise.

God Bless,
David




Very wise words David, I think I will print them out and put it above my piano for the times I start beating myself up when life gets in the way.


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