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Re: yamaha reface cp, anyone? [Re: Rychubil] #2743751
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Originally Posted by Rychubil

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There's a Behringer clone (more-or-less) of the Mackie SRM150 -- the Behringer D205D.  ‎

This price looks better but now I think which difference would be between this kind of speaker like Behringer D205D and one single monitor in this same price range? ‎


A B205D has these features, that won't be on a standard "monitor speaker":

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Ultra-low noise 3-channel mixer with 3-band EQ
2 "Invisible" Mic Preamps with phantom power for condenser microphones and one instrument-ready input (no DI required)
Dedicated stereo input for keyboards, MP3, CD, etc.
XLR ''through'' connector with mic/line switch for linking more B205Ds
Mic stand integration system for use with stand and boom
Integrated limiter for system control and speaker protection


The B205D -- for example -- lets you plug in a keyboard, and two mics, mount the B205D on a mic stand for better coverage of an audience, and sing along (on Mic 1) to your own playing, accompanied by your friend playing flute (on Mic 2).

So you get a lot of flexibility, for the extra cost. You may not need it now, but it's nice to have.


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Re: yamaha reface cp, anyone? [Re: Tor E Bekken] #2743753
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If you don't need the B205D features, the B208D is cheaper and probably sounds better. Probably heavier, though. Keep in mind both of these are mono, compared to some of the stuff discussed earlier which was stereo. Stereo out of a single box is not very spacious anyway, but some pianos sound better in stereo than in mono, so that's one more variable.

Re: yamaha reface cp, anyone? [Re: anotherscott] #2743818
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Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
Originally Posted by Rychubil

Originally Posted by Charles Cohen

There's a Behringer clone (more-or-less) of the Mackie SRM150 -- the Behringer D205D. ‎

This price looks better but now I think which difference would be between this kind of speaker like Behringer D205D and one single monitor in this same price range? ‎


A B205D has these features, that won't be on a standard "monitor speaker":

Quote
Ultra-low noise 3-channel mixer with 3-band EQ
2 "Invisible" Mic Preamps with phantom power for condenser microphones and one instrument-ready input (no DI required)
Dedicated stereo input for keyboards, MP3, CD, etc.
XLR ''through'' connector with mic/line switch for linking more B205Ds
Mic stand integration system for use with stand and boom
Integrated limiter for system control and speaker protection


The B205D -- for example -- lets you plug in a keyboard, and two mics, mount the B205D on a mic stand for better coverage of an audience, and sing along (on Mic 1) to your own playing, accompanied by your friend playing flute (on Mic 2).

So you get a lot of flexibility, for the extra cost. You may not need it now, but it's nice to have.



That's true, these features of B205D can be very handy in later time.

... but the most important for me is a good issue of piano/EP sound and now dilema is, because:

Originally Posted by anotherscott
Keep in mind both of these are mono, compared to some of the stuff discussed earlier which was stereo. Stereo out of a single box is not very spacious anyway, but some pianos sound better in stereo than in mono, so that's one more variable.


Does exist any small stereo amplifier like Beringher B205D in dimennsions and features close to B205D?


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Re: yamaha reface cp, anyone? [Re: Rychubil] #2743837
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Originally Posted by Rychubil
[Does exist any small stereo amplifier like Beringher B205D in dimennsions and features close to B205D?


If nothing else, one of the features of the B205D is the 5" speaker, and you obviously can't fit two of those speakers into a box of the same dimensions. ;-)

But since you know which piano you will be using (the Reface CP), perhaps a better question (which I don't know the answer to) is whether the CP sounds noticeably better in stereo than mono, in terms of its basic acoustic piano tone. This is more of a factor for some pianos than others, and if it's not a big factor for the Reface, then stereo could be a lesser factor in your amp selection. As for EP sounds, they are mono anyway... though the effects can be stereo, so your interest in stereo for them may also depend on whether you are more interested in their basic sound or in their sound with effects, and which effects you like to use. (Remember, though, you're never going to get much stereo "spread" out of stereo speakers that are only inches apart anyway.)

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Re: yamaha reface cp, anyone? [Re: Tor E Bekken] #2743902
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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by Rychubil
[Does exist any small stereo amplifier like Beringher B205D in dimennsions and features close to B205D?

... perhaps a better question (which I don't know the answer to) is whether the CP sounds noticeably better in stereo than mono, in terms of its basic acoustic piano tone. This is more of a factor for some pianos than others, and if it's not a big factor for the Reface, then stereo could be a lesser factor in your amp selection. As for EP sounds, they are mono anyway... though the effects can be stereo, so your interest in stereo for them may also depend on whether you are more interested in their basic sound or in their sound with effects, and which effects you like to use. (Remember, though, you're never going to get much stereo "spread" out of stereo speakers that are only inches apart anyway.)

It's really right clue, thank you for extracting these important details. ‎
I think, the most of time I'll be using basic sounds for practicing and learning contemporary classical pieces but also I'd like to use some effects like reverb, tremolo and delay playing Rhodes sounds for my more surrealistic ideas. I am unable to assess now, which features will be more desirable for me. ‎

I should to mention as well that probably I think, half of time which I will spent on Reface, I'll be using headphones and maybe I shouldn't worry too much for stereo aspect on speaker(?) I don't know. ‎
For sure I have to go to the music store, try Reface on couple of speakers and to listen how Reface sounds like.


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Re: yamaha reface cp, anyone? [Re: Rychubil] #2743910
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Originally Posted by Rychubil
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I think, the most of time I'll be using basic sounds for practicing and learning contemporary classical pieces but also I'd like to use some effects like reverb, tremolo and delay playing Rhodes sounds for my more surrealistic ideas. I am unable to assess now, which features will be more desirable for me. ‎

I should to mention as well that probably I think, half of time which I will spent on Reface, I'll be using headphones and maybe I shouldn't worry too much for stereo aspect on speaker(?) I don't know. ‎
For sure I have to go to the music store, try Reface on couple of speakers and to listen how Reface sounds like.


Good idea !!! Your ears will give you the answer you're looking for.

My beliefs (biases?):

. . . One _good_ loudspeaker is better than two not-so-good loudspeakers.

. . . Headphones are considerably cheaper, than loudspeakers with equal sound quality.

For maximum "pure sound per dollar", you might look at the Behringer B208D. It's larger than you want, heavier than you want, but costs less than $200 US (each).


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Re: yamaha reface cp, anyone? [Re: Charles Cohen] #2743931
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Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
Originally Posted by Rychubil
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I think, the most of time I'll be using basic sounds for practicing and learning contemporary classical pieces but also I'd like to use some effects like reverb, tremolo and delay playing Rhodes sounds for my more surrealistic ideas. I am unable to assess now, which features will be more desirable for me. ‎

I should to mention as well that probably I think, half of time which I will spent on Reface, I'll be using headphones and maybe I shouldn't worry too much for stereo aspect on speaker(?) I don't know. ‎


. . . One _good_ loudspeaker is better than two not-so-good loudspeakers.

. . . Headphones are considerably cheaper, than loudspeakers with equal sound quality.

For maximum "pure sound per dollar", you might look at the Behringer B208D.  It's larger than you want, heavier than you want, but costs less than $200 US (each).  


Yes, I agree - better one, good one than two not so good. I think about buying one speaker.

I already have some headphones (Audio-Technica ATH-M50X, Beyerdynamic DT990, AKG K450, Koss Porta Pro) and I don't need to buy them.

Behringer B208D is too large and too heavy for me. B205D much better especially in weight. 

I even consider one good monitor speaker on dimensions roughly 8" x 6" x 5" which be fine for me. I don't know yet. My visit in music store is obligatory!‎


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Re: yamaha reface cp, anyone? [Re: Tor E Bekken] #2744430
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I already ordered Reface CP with soft bag and I expect delivery roughly on 25th June.
See you soon smile

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Re: yamaha reface cp, anyone? [Re: Tor E Bekken] #2748167
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I already got Reface CP with original soft bag and saying shortly:

Built:
Reface is built enough well solid and esthetic to not pretend to be a plastic 37 keys toy.
Keyboard action is right enough like on this kind of spring keyboards, is not clicking. 
Fortunately I don't have thick fingers and I am not catching accidentally neighbouring keys. Knobs and effects switches are made equally solid.

Sounds:
There are 7 sounds only but they are really on medium level quality of stage piano IMO. For example, Rhodes sounds better than on my Roland FP30 and hidden acoustic piano resounds in decay much better than grands on my Kurzweil PC361.

Effects:
They are really do great job and make Reface really powerful and creative tool.
Examples: Digital delay can give you quite nice arpegiator. Drive knob can make sound really "dirty". 

The most important connections and powering by AA batteries make Reface very portable piano not only for making sketches and fun.
I am very happy so far.‎


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Re: yamaha reface cp, anyone? [Re: Rychubil] #2750682
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Originally Posted by Rychubil
Originally Posted by anotherscott
Any bluetooth speaker is fine if it has a line input you can use, because then it bypasses the bluetooth function entirely anyway, so it's not doing any harm.

If is really like you mention, why my Bose Soundlink mini 2 plugged by 3,5mm jack cable to the FP30 issue latency?

I think the answer already become.
Previously I used standard, cheap 3.5mm jack cable connecting Bose with Roland FP-30. Now I pluged different, better quality OFC jack cable to Bose and FP-30 and also to Reface ...and latency disappeared!


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