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Re: Feedback on Mozart: A Vous dirais je maman [Re: hyena] #2744108
06/13/18 09:19 AM
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Hyena, thank you for answering - I'm a big delayed in responding.
Originally Posted by hyena
Originally Posted by keystring
Hyena, how are you practising right now? What is your process? For example, do you chunk into smaller sections - analyze the piece first so that you can plan how to work on it in stages - look at areas of weaknesses and how to go at that strategically?
I think (?) I hear improvements from when you first came on with your playing, and you seem to have worked hard. Not that my ear is the best. It takes courage to put yourself out there like that.


I do practice variations individually, though I should really chunk it down even more. I've done slow practice before with this piece too! Though, I think I've kind of lost the rhythm again.

So usually when I start playing, I first play the entire piece first. Then when I notice a bump, I go to that variation, trying to get the bump out. As for rhythm... I don't think I do much for rhythm at all, sometimes I do put on the metronome, or play it slow, but it isn't part of my practice habit.

For the rest it's quite chaotic, I work a little on the first part of the variation 1, then maybe 3, then maybe the second part of 2.

When you first appeared on PW, you gave an example of your earlier playing and I watched it then. Being self-taught, you had the same kind of "spontaneous flow" that I had when I self-taught as a kid, your own way ofc, and thus missing other bits that are more in the fundamentals side, which I also relate to. I learned very late that there is such a thing as approach and such. It's a vast topic. "effective practice" yields some tidbits in this forum. Dr. Mortensen's videos may not be ideal, and tedious, because they're aimed at his own students, but there may be clues there as well.

There are a lot of things you can do, and I don't know if they can be set out in one swoop here. For the playthrough - that may be good if you do it, pencil in hand (do you read, or are you going from recordings?), marking out things as you go along. After that, the practice in sections, building it. That is a topic that I can't flesh out here. I learned an approach that has two aspects: chunking and layers. The "chunk" means the sections that you are working on. The "layer" means the element that you are working on. Timing is an element, dynamics and touch are two other elements, pedal for pieces that have pedal can be another element. For those of us who are by nature "spontaneous", work that is un-spontaneous and in a sense un-musical, after which we pull in some of the musical feeling again, this seems to build a kind of scaffolding or backbone to our work. For me the jump in quality and effectiveness was audible, and it also took me less time to reach things. I'm still learning. smile

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Re: Feedback on Mozart: A Vous dirais je maman [Re: Lillith] #2744128
06/13/18 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Lillith
Originally Posted by hyena

Also the ABCDEFG song smile


Aaaarrrggghhh!!! I hadn't realised that one either smile
Hope there aren't any more!!


while pruning the roses, I spotted a lovely female ghost moth on my wall smile
I also remembered a little nursery song to the same tune :

Little Arabella Miller
Found a furry caterpillar
First it crawled upon her mother
Then upon her baby brother
Oh said Arabella Miller
Take away that caterpillar.

No doubt the length and breadth of Europe, there are countless little songs set to that same tune smile


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Re: Feedback on Mozart: A Vous dirais je maman [Re: keystring] #2744134
06/13/18 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by keystring
When you first appeared on PW, you gave an example of your earlier playing and I watched it then. Being self-taught, you had the same kind of "spontaneous flow" that I had when I self-taught as a kid, your own way ofc, and thus missing other bits that are more in the fundamentals side, which I also relate to. I learned very late that there is such a thing as approach and such. It's a vast topic. "effective practice" yields some tidbits in this forum. Dr. Mortensen's videos may not be ideal, and tedious, because they're aimed at his own students, but there may be clues there as well


I read! Though, I'm not very good at reading yet, only been reading for 1.5 year. But I'm making some progress, I can finally sightread some of the Tchaikovsky Jugend album! But because of that, my teacher doesn't recommend me playing pieces I know. But I remember all pieces I can play by heart. So I hope to come to a point where I can just read a piece, without actually remembering the notes.

As for practice methods, I've been learning a lot due to the Bach inventions. I don't think I don't know how to practice well, it's more about getting it into my habits, applying that knowledge.

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Anyway, thanks a lot for all replies!

To summarize. I will put the metronome on about 150BPM, though play the 16th notes as 4ths. I suppose playing them staccato will help with the rhythm too? As for musicality, making sure the accent is in 2/2 time.

When I'm finished I'll record all of the 12 variations to show the result.

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