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Piano search update #2743287
06/09/18 08:01 PM
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Interesting experience today. Played a rebuilt 1926 Steinway M and a new Yamaha CX2. Different sounds - the Steinway was brighter and the Yamaha mellower. Both were priced about the same - ~$30k. I'm not sure how to characterize the difference in touch. I almost think I liked the Yamaha better, but it's hard to say. Any thoughts about this kind of comparison?



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Re: Piano search update [Re: DDobs] #2743315
06/09/18 11:19 PM
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I'm not surprised you liked the C2X better. The M has never been considered one of the better Steinway scale designs. I've played a few not half bad Ms, but most are pretty meh. Isn't the C2X a few inches longer? What a difference a few inches can make.

Re: Piano search update [Re: DDobs] #2743324
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Yamahas are amazing today and many performers prefer them above all others. I would prefer a new Yamaha over a 1926 anything, any day.

Steve


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Re: Piano search update [Re: DDobs] #2743396
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I listened to your music - and particularly liked the Rhapsody: I also liked your take on "America the Beautiful /Hymn of the republic" medley

My 2 cents on the piano choice are that the Yamaha is a far better choice: a New Yamaha isy a very safe choice . Restored pianos, on the other hand, are a bit of gamble since you don't always know who restored it, or how good he/she is. The "M" is best left to those who think that the unique audio qualities of of such an instrument are worth the risk.



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Re: Piano search update [Re: DDobs] #2743420
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Thank Steve C - C2X is just one inch longer, but for some reason, a liked it better.

Lakeview Steve - appreciate your input.

Almo82 - I am inclined to agree with your assessment of restored instruments. You can no doubt find real gems - just not sure I'm the best person to assess or find flaws in the work.

Do you all have thoughts about going with a 5'8 versus a 6'1 Yamaha? I could save $8-10k with the smaller model. Not sure if I would miss those extra inches as I advance in my playing. Also not sure if there's otherwise a difference in quality. FYI, I'm an adult student (intermediate) but with relatively refined taste.



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Re: Piano search update [Re: DDobs] #2743433
06/10/18 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DDobs

Do you all have thoughts about going with a 5'8 versus a 6'1 Yamaha? I could save $8-10k with the smaller model. Not sure if I would miss those extra inches as I advance in my playing. Also not sure if there's otherwise a difference in quality. FYI, I'm an adult student (intermediate) but with relatively refined taste.


Can you hear or feel a difference right now, when you play them side by side at a dealer?
The C2 underwent some sort of design upgrade in the early to mid 2000s, if memory serves, which seems to have been well-received, even before it became the current CX series. I would consider the C2x and C3x to be very similar in quality, if not identical. Older C2s and G2s don't really do much for me.

Psychologically, I would expect at the $30k price point to be getting a 6 foot or larger piano, but that's kind of arbitrary-- if you find a smaller piano you really connect with, and it seems worth it to you (and you can afford it), then enjoy!


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Re: Piano search update [Re: DDobs] #2743437
06/10/18 01:59 PM
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My thoughts,

Yamaha has transformed their C series with the Cx series pianos. The tone and performance of these instruments is what propelled me to have interest in carrying the Yamaha line. Although I have always admired the consistency of their products, just search for my opinions before 5 years ago. I simply didn't like the touch and tone of the pianos.

Couple this with the fact that there is more bad to mediocre rebuilding going on out there than really fine rebuilding and I would lean towards the Yamaha Cx series pianos.

Good luck with your decision.


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Re: Piano search update [Re: Rich Galassini] #2743462
06/10/18 03:16 PM
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I really like Yamaha's management as well. They purchased Bösendorfer a few years back and have left them independent rather than make them change anything. Yamaha uses their own technology as well.

Steve

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Re: Piano search update [Re: DDobs] #2744011
06/12/18 10:48 PM
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What are people's thoughts about fitting a 6-1 grand in a condominium apartment? I have three rooms plus a kitchen - all different widths in an open floor plan. The length of the unit is maybe 40 feet. The ceilings are about 8 feet. Hard floors with rugs. As of today I am leaning toward a Yamaha C3X. I've been told that particular piano is loud, but I can't imagine it's louder than any other grand of the same size. And I've heard there are things you can do to mitigate volume. My neighbors don't seem to mind my playing as of now.

Two questions: Is there really an appreciable difference in volume between a 5-8 grand and a 6-1 grand? And, are some makes and models really louder than others of the same size?

I grew up with a piano teacher who had two Steinway grands in apartment!

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Re: Piano search update [Re: DDobs] #2744024
06/13/18 12:21 AM
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The biggest difference in the volume of sound in different pianos is how easy it is to play at a reasonable volume. If you are pounding away as hard as you can, you will probably find that any piano is very loud. It really does not matter who makes the piano. It will vary from sample to sample, even in pianos that are rather consistent, like Yamahas, because it will also depend on maintenance.


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