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How to sound like Bach #2743082
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QUite inspired to try and use this in my own improvisations, seems so easy when she does it.


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Re: How to sound like Bach [Re: hyena] #2743092
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Finally, an explanation of piano that makes sense!


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Re: How to sound like Bach [Re: hyena] #2743113
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This is as close as I can come to sounding like Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aze5axOcre8

Re: How to sound like Bach [Re: hyena] #2743118
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Can anybody sound like Bach or a composer who lived at least 200 years ago? Technically we can sound more like Chopin because some of his students lived into the 20th century when recordings became available and they would be playing Chopin the way the composer intended. For someone whose pieces were hidden in an attic and without sound recordings we can only guess how the composer would have sounded. Going from the clavichord & harpsichord with no foot pedals to a piano with a bigger dynamic range, we are playing with a different instrument and a different sound.

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Re: How to sound like Bach [Re: thepianoplayer416] #2743121
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Originally Posted by thepianoplayer416
Can anybody sound like Bach or a composer who lived at least 200 years ago?


Sure. But the video is a description of the structural elements of Bach's compositions that give it a signature Baroque sound.

Originally Posted by thepianoplayer416

Going from the clavichord & harpsichord with no foot pedals to a piano with a bigger dynamic range, we are playing with a different instrument and a different sound.


But the old instruments haven't disappeared. I played a clavichord just last week.

Bach is delightful on a clavichord. Piano is a cousin, though, and though there is a different sort of feel and sound, the compositional elements that make Bach's music Bach are no less valid on this more contemporary instrument.


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Re: How to sound like Bach [Re: hyena] #2743122
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Originally Posted by thepianoplayer416
Can anybody sound like Bach or a composer who lived at least 200 years ago? Technically we can sound more like Chopin because some of his students lived into the 20th century when recordings became available and they would be playing Chopin the way the composer intended. For someone whose pieces were hidden in an attic and without sound recordings we can only guess how the composer would have sounded. Going from the clavichord & harpsichord with no foot pedals to a piano with a bigger dynamic range, we are playing with a different instrument and a different sound.



Come on, that's just misinterpreting the point of the video on purpose...

It does state "Imitating the surface layer."

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Re: How to sound like Bach [Re: hyena] #2743123
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My teacher used to have me do this every lesson fifty years ago, it’s as good as any way of starting improvisation I suppose. Trouble is, I never really desired to sound like Bach, or for that matter any classical composer, and kept on wanting to twist up the rhythm, play asynchronously, use several keys at once, plop in any idea which came to mind. I respect the ability in mental arithmetic necessary to imitate music of the past but don’t particularly like listening to the results. I have an internet friend who has made a big thing out of imitating baroque like this. He has become very good indeed at it, but doesn’t seem to play in his own way any more. I couldn’t do that but I guess doing what we enjoy is all that matters in the end.


"We shall always love the music of the masters, but they are all dead and now it's our turn." - Llewelyn Jones, my piano teacher
Re: How to sound like Bach [Re: hyena] #2743125
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Here's a pop song as Bach might have written it, if he wanted to write a fugue on a tune by Lady Gaga (assuming he knows who she is, of course):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig51Guf5hjs


"I don't play accurately - anyone can play accurately - but I play with wonderful expression. As far as the piano is concerned, sentiment is my forte. I keep science for Life."
Re: How to sound like Bach [Re: hyena] #2743157
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Hmmmmm....dunno...maybe my gig tonight was just so fun and free
that I didn't relate to this video no matter how much I tried.

After I'm long dead, I'll do my best to find my way back to Earth
if anyone dares to put a stupid hat on me in my photos. The nerve.

The only thing I saw that made me cringe worse in recent years
is Kenny G having the nerve to bring back Louis Armstrong from
the dead to appear in a Kenny G video from beyond the grave.

To me, the more important question is this:

Has this player/composer composed, recorded, and released anything
of note, or is she going to just be an imitator?

My use of Bach is as a source of melodic material, harmonic tools,
and improvisational concepts to have the end result being the listener
hearing Bach or Beethoven in a Rob Mullins song. And I probably won't
(after writing and recording 34 albums of original material) be recording
Happy Birthday anytime soon.

Sorry. If anyone wants to understand Cantus Firmus as John Coltrane
and Pat Metheny use it in their wheelhouse, I can talk about that.

Thelonious Monk once said that the true musical genius is the person
who sounds like exactly like his or her self.
I'll leave it there.


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Re: How to sound like Bach [Re: hyena] #2743160
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Entirely agree Rob, I don’t want live somebody else’s musical dream, dead or alive, famous or not.


"We shall always love the music of the masters, but they are all dead and now it's our turn." - Llewelyn Jones, my piano teacher
Re: How to sound like Bach [Re: hyena] #2743177
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Originally Posted by Rob Mullins
Has this player/composer composed, recorded, and released anything
of note, or is she going to just be an imitator?

Well, she pretty much writes her own things/style, taking melodic material is pretty much the point of her channel. Like turning Chopin etudes into Jazz etc.

Just look a this for example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izukmcD8_Kw&t=29s

Re: How to sound like Bach [Re: hyena] #2743178
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Brighten up Rob! There isn't one right way to be creative.


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Re: How to sound like Bach [Re: Qazsedcft] #2743280
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Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
There isn't one right way to be creative.


Actually, you are so right, and if one's creative drive happens to resemble that of someone before, strictly speaking, it shouldn't matter. The fact that it does not happen with me is a personal characteristic which cannot be extrapolated to other players. Thank you for reminding me.


"We shall always love the music of the masters, but they are all dead and now it's our turn." - Llewelyn Jones, my piano teacher

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