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Re: A 1986 Baldwin SF for $64,000!?!?!? [Re: Ken Iisaka] #2743293
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I agree that it's an honest practice, sort of (comparing a 1932 price to a brand new price isn't necessarily apples-to-oranges, but sort of oranges-to-tangerines).


Well, given how pianos evolved slowly between 1880 and 1980, I don't think it's unfair to compare a rebuilt one to a new one. I don't know anything about the pianos offered at Living Pianos, but it's not like comparing a rebuilt Ford Model T to today's Ford model. When determining the value of a Steinway, the condition matters more than the age.

Yeah, I think it's legit to compare to new. It's just that you can't really get an SF-10 new any more.


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Re: A 1986 Baldwin SF for $64,000!?!?!? [Re: Ken Iisaka] #2743294
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The real estate connection on the appraisal is odd.

Perhaps the house is for sale, and they're trying to give the impression that a piano "left behind" or otherwise thrown in to the sale is worth much more than it really is.

It is a preposterously high appraisal.


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Re: A 1986 Baldwin SF for $64,000!?!?!? [Re: Ken Iisaka] #2743296
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However, given that how few people actually know much about pianos and their value, the criticisms of this ad seem overdone to me.


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Re: A 1986 Baldwin SF for $64,000!?!?!? [Re: Ken Iisaka] #2743297
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If this piano is a top quality performer, in my mind the comparable replacement is a fully rebuilt Steinway B, M&H BB, or SF-10. These will be from about $45 to $65K. One can find mediocre ones for less, but if the owner expects to replace with one of similar performance, that is what they would expect to pay.

The piano does have significant enough damage to the case to need a specific markdown for that, around $3.5K. So in my book maximum replacement value would be $50K.


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Re: A 1986 Baldwin SF for $64,000!?!?!? [Re: Ken Iisaka] #2743300
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I do not see anything that is necessarily case damage, but there is a reflection that looks like it might be.


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Re: A 1986 Baldwin SF for $64,000!?!?!? [Re: Ken Iisaka] #2743322
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I see some dings, but not gouges or scratches either.

Perhaps for an appraisal it's not too high (they tend to be high). I was thinking more of the asking price on Craigslist, which I think is high by 300 or 400%.

In my neck of the woods, I tend to see SF-10s lists for about 15k, give or take.


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Re: A 1986 Baldwin SF for $64,000!?!?!? [Re: BDB] #2743329
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look in image 5 of 6, there is a couple of obvious deep marks.


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Re: A 1986 Baldwin SF for $64,000!?!?!? [Re: Ed McMorrow, RPT] #2743330
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Yes, I guess so. I have someone who should be able to fix those.


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Re: A 1986 Baldwin SF for $64,000!?!?!? [Re: Ken Iisaka] #2743335
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According to a poster above, this is a complimentary appraisal.

The appraisal says that they have "carefully examined" the piano in question. How can that be unless they are running at a huge loss? It would involve travelling to the site and spending time doing the appraisal.


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Re: A 1986 Baldwin SF for $64,000!?!?!? [Re: Ken Iisaka] #2743336
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I think I have answered my own question. From their website it appears that they issue an appraisal as part of their servicing.


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Re: A 1986 Baldwin SF for $64,000!?!?!? [Re: PhilipInChina] #2743337
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It is an exceedingly complimentary appraisal!


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Re: A 1986 Baldwin SF for $64,000!?!?!? [Re: Ken Iisaka] #2743368
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An “appraisal” that tone-deaf for a self-described, “grade B”, 1986 Baldwin, reflects poorly on RPTs, since it’s signed by one and posted publicly. What training does the PTG offer in this regard?

I can’t think of any piano in original condition from 1986 that’s worth that amount.


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Re: A 1986 Baldwin SF for $64,000!?!?!? [Re: Ken Iisaka] #2743628
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It's now listed at 15k.


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Re: A 1986 Baldwin SF for $64,000!?!?!? [Re: P3T3R] #2743756
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Originally Posted by P3T3R
It's now listed at 15k.
Amazing !! Apparently they paid attention to the e-mail I sent them with a link to a reputable dealer's website for a 1998 Sf-10 being sold for $15K.

This could end up being a really good deal for someone !!!

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Re: A 1986 Baldwin SF for $64,000!?!?!? [Re: Ken Iisaka] #2753730
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I ended up buying the piano. Trying to ween myself off of 9 footers. If I decide to keep it I'll upgrade to wng shanks and ronsen hammers. Here's a clip of it: https://youtu.be/IRK2MosSnrI

Re: A 1986 Baldwin SF for $64,000!?!?!? [Re: Ken Iisaka] #2753737
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Congrats. Great sounding piano and enjoyed your playing as well.

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Re: A 1986 Baldwin SF for $64,000!?!?!? [Re: Ken Iisaka] #2753742
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That sounds lovely! It's a beautiful piano. Let us know how your upgrade to WNG and Ronsen goes. Do I understand that you're going to do that on your concert grand?

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The two 9's have WNG shanks. One has Ronsen hammers the other Renner Blue Point.

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Originally Posted by McKnight
I ended up buying the piano. Trying to ween myself off of 9 footers. If I decide to keep it I'll upgrade to wng shanks and ronsen hammers. Here's a clip of it: https://youtu.be/IRK2MosSnrI

What a beautiful looking and sounding instrument !! Hopefully you purchased it at the reduced price.

If you ultimately decide you want to sell it, please let me know. grin

Congrats !!


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Re: A 1986 Baldwin SF for $64,000!?!?!? [Re: Carey] #2753848
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Originally Posted by Carey
Originally Posted by McKnight
I ended up buying the piano. Trying to ween myself off of 9 footers. If I decide to keep it I'll upgrade to wng shanks and ronsen hammers. Here's a clip of it: https://youtu.be/IRK2MosSnrI

What a beautiful looking and sounding instrument !! Hopefully you purchased it at the reduced price.

If you ultimately decide you want to sell it, please let me know. grin

Congrats !!

Carey, This is totally OT, but I tried to send you a PM and it said you were over your private topic limit. PM me if you wish; I have a question about a piano I believe you played at Stilwell's. Thanks.

Congrats! On the Baldwin, McKnight. It sounds great.

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