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Re: Doable Rachmaninoff [Re: Moo :)] #2743705
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Thank you for the suggestions.

I think I found one that is doable for me and sounds quite fun.

Its No. 2 Waltz in A major from the suggestions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtQkrccGw_A

What do you think ?

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Originally Posted by Moo :)
Thank you for the suggestions.

I think I found one that is doable for me and sounds quite fun.

Its No. 2 Waltz in A major from the suggestions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtQkrccGw_A

What do you think ?
If you like that piece quite a bit then it's fine. OTOH I think that some of these very early Rach works are so little performed because many don't think highly of them.

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Originally Posted by Moo :)
Thank you for the suggestions.

I think I found one that is doable for me and sounds quite fun.

Its No. 2 Waltz in A major from the suggestions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtQkrccGw_A

What do you think ?
If you like that piece quite a bit then it's fine. OTOH I think that some of these very early Rach works are so little performed because many don't think highly of them.


Who are these many people that don't think highly of them? Rather than true I think it very rude.


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Originally Posted by Lakeviewsteve

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Originally Posted by Moo :)
Thank you for the suggestions.

I think I found one that is doable for me and sounds quite fun.

Its No. 2 Waltz in A major from the suggestions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtQkrccGw_A

What do you think ?
If you like that piece quite a bit then it's fine. OTOH I think that some of these very early Rach works are so little performed because many don't think highly of them.


Who are these many people that don't think highly of them? Rather than true I think it very rude.
Just look on YouTube and you'll see that the Nocturne has few performances by major pianists so I think it's clearly true. I've also never seen it on a recital program played in NYC for the last 50 years or so. Some of his early pieces are played a lot and are quite good but IMO this is not one of them. I simply wanted to make sure the OP wasn't
t choosing it only because it was "doable" since I think there are equally doable pieces of higher quality.

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Re: Doable Rachmaninoff [Re: Moo :)] #2743960
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yes perhaps that is correct. probably focusing too much on doable rather than pick my fav piece. ok i will put the rach on the backburner. my fav was polichinelle, i'm not sure i have the agility at the moment for it. i played a march by grieg and it takes ages to get the agility to play it. thank you all for the tips.

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I'd say that's a good decision Moo. Much better to spend some time on one of the 'easier' preludes where you can start to learn to conquer some of the typical Rachmaninoff technical hurdles, even if you don't finnish it this time. The preludes all have that distinctive Rachmaninoff sound too that the waltz lacked in my opinion. I would have guessed Chopin smile

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I have started learning my first Rachmaninoff piece after all.



My lesson next lesson is not for a while so anyone can help I have two questions :

1) I forgot to ask about pedal - are there any pedal recommendations or is it sounding ok ?

2) Any idea how to play the left hand 3rd last bar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=332&v=ElYS7lyJ3O4

Here is the sheet music above. This one is really bugging me. I have tried to work it out but now I am really confused. I'm not sure how to play as there are '3' markings over most of the beats. Also in the left hand we have a second '3' marking over two crotchets in 2nd and 4th beat. Help plz.

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Originally Posted by Moo :)
2) Any idea how to play the left hand 3rd last bar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=332&v=ElYS7lyJ3O4

Here is the sheet music above. This one is really bugging me. I have tried to work it out but now I am really confused. I'm not sure how to play as there are '3' markings over most of the beats. Also in the left hand we have a second '3' marking over two crotchets in 2nd and 4th beat. Help plz.

There are several triplets in each 'voice', some of them overlapping.

A triplet is three note values in the time of two.

So, in the top line ('soprano' line), you have a minim and a crotchet to be played in the time of two crotchets. On the line below it, still in RH, you have the second group of three quavers (all in thirds) to be played in the time of two quavers within the tripletized whole as per the soprano line.

Ditto for the LH notes.

But bear in mind that the whole bar is already 'tripletized', therefore you have triplets within triplets, as indicated by the triplet signs top and bottom (soprano and bass lines). In other words, the second line in RH (with the thirds) has six quavers to be played in the time of four quavers, but with the second group of three quavers to be played within the time of two quavers within the tripletized whole.

Probably best to think of that bar in 6/4 time rather than 4/4, then you can remove the triplet signs on the top and bottom. But make sure the whole bar is played in the same period of time as the preceding bar with no triplets.

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in the left hand we have a second '3' marking over two crotchets in 2nd and 4th beat

That's not over two crotchets, that's over a quaver rest and a crotchet, i.e. three quavers in the time of two (the crotchet in the bass line) - just as in the first group of triplets. Remember, that's the 'tenor line' with upward pointing stems.


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Originally Posted by Moo :)

Er......yes (though I had to hang upside down from the ceiling to read it wink )


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Re: Doable Rachmaninoff [Re: Moo :)] #2754529
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Ok good. I dont understand. A music joke ?

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Originally Posted by Moo :)
Ok good. I dont understand. A music joke ?

This? grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx-N9I1eZyM

Not quite. (Hint: Your picture was upside down).


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OK my bad smile But "third within a third" reminded me of the film inseption. (Dream within a dream within a dream within a dream).

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It's been tough to learn this one.

The first section is going ok but I am struggling more with the sections after.

My teacher seems to be happy with the progress but my interest wonders sometimes on harder pieces.

I have been working a lot at the notes & rhythms but as they are not totally secure it is hard to get it sounding musical.

Bit of an uphill struggle and no lesson this week. Does anyone have any tips ?




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Hi Moo,
Rachmaninoff Italian Polka is very doable, and you can get the duet or solo arrangement from IMSLP. I love it:


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Thank you for sharing. Do you really think it is doable ? It is very difficult and too difficult for me I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by Moo :)
Thank you for sharing. Do you really think it is doable ? It is very difficult and too difficult for me I'm afraid.


Hi Moo, why are you asking the Internet when you could ask your teacher? To be completely honest, people on the Internet have absolutely no idea what is doable for you. They could only tell you what they can do, which is not the same thing. Is your teacher telling you that you are not ready for Rach and you don't want to believe him or her, and still want to try something?

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