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Re: Is 88 keys enough? [Re: Manannan] #2742419 06/06/18 02:00 AM
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We had an Imperial Grand at Pierre's Fine Pianos
a few years back. It was hard to discern the pitches
below low A, but some people feel that need and
we are happy to give them what they want.


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Re: Is 88 keys enough? [Re: Manannan] #2742426 06/06/18 02:54 AM
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My hearing is so shot that I doubt if I would hear much beyond the standard range of an 88 key keyboard.


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Re: Is 88 keys enough? [Re: dogperson] #2742455 06/06/18 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by dogperson
I don’t think the original question was about designing a piano. Isn’t there a easy answer to the original poster? Over 99.9% of all music does not need more than 88 keys, and we can discuss only a handful.

If we can think of only a couple of pianos that have more than 88 keys, that should be enough to satisfy the OP. Most concert pianist play on pianos that have 88 keys both at home and in concert



Well, I *DID* address the musical question first.

Building at costs that are acceptable to wider audiences COULD encourage greater acceptance, use and composition for the greater range.
As long as >88 is only available at Bosendorfer and Stuart prices very few of us will even try to play the limited repertoire and little more will be written. Chicken/egg egg/chicken.

Not that "build it and they will come" always works, but there are SO MANY examples of the market not knowing that they wanted something until it was offered.
Market research answers hind sight questions, etc.

"At home" I would like the range of 96 or even 108 for under $5K, preferably under $2K.
No good reason, a "like", a "want", not a "need to have: so I can play a particular set of pieces.

Re: Is 88 keys enough? [Re: Manannan] #2742549 06/06/18 01:37 PM
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85 is plenty for nearly everything, 88 is great, past that more power to you, but hats off to the piano makers pushing the limits.


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Re: Is 88 keys enough? [Re: Manannan] #2742551 06/06/18 01:40 PM
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I have tuned an Imperial once or twice, and some of the 92 note Bösendorfers, and I found that I could hear the relationships all the way down pretty well. It would have been more difficult on a smaller piano. In most cases, the longer the piano, the easier it is to tune.


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Re: Is 88 keys enough? [Re: Manannan] #2742634 06/06/18 05:44 PM
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most of the best music in the classical repertoire fit well within 5 octaves, rarely exceeding that...


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Re: Is 88 keys enough? [Re: Doritos Flavoured] #2742636 06/06/18 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Doritos Flavoured
most of the best music in the classical repertoire fit well within 5 octaves, rarely exceeding that...

That would depend on your definition of 'best music'.

Most of the pieces in my rep easily exceed 5 octaves, from mid-Beethoven onwards (Luddy's 1817 Broadwood has six octaves, from CC to c'''').


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Re: Is 88 keys enough? [Re: Lillith] #2743256 06/09/18 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Lillith
Being on the cautious side, I'd like a few more than 88 keys so there are some spare for emergencies.
You never know when you might need them.


I'll go with that.... emergencies can be nasty when there aren't enough keys and you start banging your fingers on wood down there.

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Re: Is 88 keys enough? [Re: Manannan] #2746162 06/21/18 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Manannan
That's a good idea, or maybe some sort of program I can put in a digital piano to be able to temporarily change octaves.


Most digitals have a transpose function, +/- 12 semitones. So, you can hear what those low notes sound like for free. You just have to temporarily give up an equal number from the high end.


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Re: Is 88 keys enough? [Re: Manannan] #2746457 06/23/18 03:06 AM
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If you can do what George Shearing did from C2-C5,
you would be surprised at how well you would get by
with only a few octaves..........


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