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Scriabin's Op. 8, No. 12 1st Version and 2nd Version #2742456
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First version:




Second version:


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Re: Scriabin's Op. 8, No. 12 1st Version and 2nd Version [Re: Roshan Kakiya] #2742458
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I don't understand why you post threads with videos but no questions or thoughts about them. This has occurred a few times.

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Re: Scriabin's Op. 8, No. 12 1st Version and 2nd Version [Re: pianoloverus] #2742462
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I do not always need to ask questions or include thoughts on my threads. There is nothing wrong with a bit of variety.

Re: Scriabin's Op. 8, No. 12 1st Version and 2nd Version [Re: Roshan Kakiya] #2742464
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I guess he just wants to educate us smile

I always preferred the earlier version of this etude, maybe because it was the one I heard first. Not played by the composer though.

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Re: Scriabin's Op. 8, No. 12 1st Version and 2nd Version [Re: Roshan Kakiya] #2742650
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I believe the pianist playing the second version is Chitose Okashiro. Here's the recording without the ending clipped.
https://youtu.be/SkOa85yAceE

I didn't know this second version even existed until a friend showed me the score a few weeks ago. This is the first time I've heard it. It grows on you....slowly.
Does anyone know if it was composed around the same time as the well-known version - or some time after?


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Re: Scriabin's Op. 8, No. 12 1st Version and 2nd Version [Re: Roshan Kakiya] #2742683
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I’ve been thinking of learning the second version. I’m pretty fond of it.

Re: Scriabin's Op. 8, No. 12 1st Version and 2nd Version [Re: Carey] #2743110
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Originally Posted by Carey
Does anyone know if it was composed around the same time as the well-known version - or some time after?


According to the score of the second version, 1894-1895. This is also displayed on the second video on my original post. The IMSLP states that all 12 etudes were composed in 1894 and published in 1895.

The score is available here:

http://imslp.org/wiki/12_Etudes,_Op.8_(Scriabin,_Aleksandr)

Did Scriabin write alternative versions of any of his remaining 11 etudes?

Re: Scriabin's Op. 8, No. 12 1st Version and 2nd Version [Re: Carey] #2743532
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Originally Posted by Carey
Does anyone know if it was composed around the same time as the well-known version - or some time after?



From the liner notes of that recording:

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Seems too simple a story though.


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Re: Scriabin's Op. 8, No. 12 1st Version and 2nd Version [Re: Roshan Kakiya] #2743583
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Pages 54 - 56 of the following book contain more information on Scriabin's 12 etudes:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...no%2012%20rimsky%20korsakov&f=false.

According to the information provided by this source, there are likely to be alternative versions of some of his remaining 11 etudes (Page 55). This source also states the alternative version of Scriabin's 12th etude was published posthumously (Page 55).


Re: Scriabin's Op. 8, No. 12 1st Version and 2nd Version [Re: Roshan Kakiya] #2743867
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Years ago I found a wonderful book called "Youthful and Early Works of Alexander and Julian Scriabin" which includes, among other pieces, this alternate version of the op. 8/12. The preface to the piece states that Scriabin had included the following note about the piece to publisher Belaieff: "You probably already received the etudes. You will find among them a second version of the D# minor which I don't want published just yet. Let it remain with you for a while because there's something about it that doesn't satisfy me. Yes, truth to tell, this has all happened because of my fiddling with it." Then it goes on to say that most likely Belaieff's boss Rimsky-Korsakoff decided put an end to the delay and print the version that he (Rimsky) liked. Which subsequently became the version everyone is familiar with.


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