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Inquiry about a Kawai RX2 #2741436
06/01/18 09:29 PM
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HIi everybody , I need an advice . I have a 178 Franz Sandner piano . It is a chinese piano that I think , based on the design and cast shape , is made by Hailun . Anyway I love it , but the base is not powerful enogh at the area where there is transition from single to double strings.
I saw a similar size RX 2 kawai , that in general i think is one of the best pianos at this size , yet it has 2 issues
- one the trible area is not of the nice round character that i would expect for kawai , i think that hammers became too hard out of previous usage , is that possible to improve by minimal voicing as we dont have a technician capable of more complicted reshaping of hammers if it is needed.
- 2nd this rx has the cast with rounded holes , i know that this model is made from 2000 onwards , yet serial number is 236776 . This number points to production in late 1960s , can some one explain this.

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Re: Inquiry about a Kawai RX2 [Re: hassan] #2741440
06/01/18 09:53 PM
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If you want more “presence” in the single-wound, low bass strings, you’re probably going to need to look at something roughly 190cm or longer.


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Re: Inquiry about a Kawai RX2 [Re: hassan] #2741594
06/02/18 03:52 PM
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Hello Hassan,
kawai RX grand pianos were produced from 1995. I think the Kawai RX-2 you mention would date from 1999 rather than 2000.
A lot can go wrong with a piano over that length of time. Heavy use, inadequate maintenance and regular tuning, as well as the lack of protection from the swings of humidity and temperature, can all have a devastating effect on a piano.

If you are seeking a richer, more powerful bass, a longer piano could be your answer. You could look at the Kawai RX-5 or the Yamaha C5.

Buy the piano that you like as it is, rather than risk spending money on work that may make little difference to an instrument's inherent tonal qualities.

I also suggest that you buy a newer piano rather than an older one in dubious condition.

Greetings and best wishes for your piano search,
Robert.

Re: Inquiry about a Kawai RX2 [Re: hassan] #2741744
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Egypt is a pretty rough place to have a piano...plus no one with abilities wants to go there, except for extreme payment. Quite a dilemma.

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Re: Inquiry about a Kawai RX2 [Re: hassan] #2741746
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Also, that serial number is definitely not right for a modern RX-series piano. Current production serial numbers are on the high end of 2 million...


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Re: Inquiry about a Kawai RX2 [Re: hassan] #2741809
06/03/18 04:47 PM
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People always tend to give advice but before doing this, buyers should determine what their realistic budget is.
AS have always said: shopping within totally different price range really doesn't make any sense. Only when this is being determined, does it make sense to recommend and perhaps then examine a larger, i.e "more expensive" piano. We all know that bigger pianos have better bass response than smaller ones, so its nothing new. Otherwise the task is to find the best possible match WITHIN a given budget. It's really all there is to it. Many people face exact same problem when buying pianos.
Good luck!

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Re: Inquiry about a Kawai RX2 [Re: terminaldegree] #2741938
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So is this serial number fake, this is not a very old piano that someone wants it to look younger , why would someone manipulate a serial number of a relatively not too old model as the RX2

Re: Inquiry about a Kawai RX2 [Re: hassan] #2742922
06/07/18 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by hassan
So is this serial number fake, this is not a very old piano that someone wants it to look younger , why would someone manipulate a serial number of a relatively not too old model as the RX2

Hassan,

It looks like 1 digit is missing. 236**** would correspond to 1999 production. Check again to see if there isn't one more number.


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Re: Inquiry about a Kawai RX2 [Re: hassan] #2742929
06/08/18 12:34 AM
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That be my guess, a missing #.


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Re: Inquiry about a Kawai RX2 [Re: hassan] #2744177
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No that is all the digits on the cast , I emailed kawai and they say that a digit is missing. I think this means that this cast has been repainted and the piano is at least refubrished if not rebuilt . Any other explanation?

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Re: Inquiry about a Kawai RX2 [Re: hassan] #2744283
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I would be wary of that piano. A "rebuild" with a missing digit in the serial number would not be a promising start. I recommend that you look at other pianos.

Regards,
Robert,

Re: Inquiry about a Kawai RX2 [Re: hassan] #2744285
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The serial number might have been stamped poorly.


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Re: Inquiry about a Kawai RX2 [Re: hassan] #2744874
06/16/18 12:22 PM
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Well, Hassan, thanks to your note I have enjoyed a short visit to Egypt via Wiki, and have learned some interesting facts which I did not know about that country. You don't seem to state your location very precisely, which is a handicap to learning about your weather (or climate) in a place that spans 10 degrees of latitude and offers more variety than "desert," and "hot."

But no matter; the advice to you remains the same. Number one: you need to find (whatever it takes) a qualified piano technician who can evaluate your candidate for condition. That would include its age and could include the place where it was first sold, and the dealership. It may seem daunting, but if there is such a business, a lot of your questions could be answered on the spot.

Learning of a piano retailer could also help with finding a qualified tech who could maintain your piano. Whatever else might be the case as far as its past, its age, its true serial number are concerned, and as misty as those valuable facts may be, it is going to have to be (1) brought to playable condition, and (2) kept that way by regular maintenance. If your tech is local, the consultation will include an estimate of the instrument's value on the local market, and an estimate of what it might cost to put it in musically useful condition, if that is even possible.

Your observation about the hammers in the baritone and treble are directly on point. I agree with your observation that they sound and look worn out, and are not able to give you the nice sound that an RX-2 is capable of. A trained eye may uncover many other secrets. For example, can it be brought into tune? No evaluation of its tone can be rendered without that. If that answer is, "No," it means money; something expensive will need to be done.

It is possible that the dealership may no longer exist. My thought turned to the traffic of snowbirds fleeing winter in Europe--- might some among them be technicians? Just a thought. Are there pianos in places like luxury hotels, opera houses, concert halls, bars, or recording studios? They will employ piano techs, even if they have to import them.

I'll close with a happy thought. If you get a piano there which is in good condition, the fairly steady-state of the weather could be your friend. It is the drastic oscillations between high and low humidity which kill pianos. Some believe that dry climes are all bad news for pianos, but it has been seen here in the western U.S., where I live, that they can stand up to this regime for long years.

You are clearly a person who loves the piano, and I wish you the best of luck with your search.


Clef

Re: Inquiry about a Kawai RX2 [Re: hassan] #2746149
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Thanks for every one who tried to answer my inquiry.
As I was trying to replace my piano for this RX2 as I don t have a space or budget for both ( althoug keeping both of them would not be a bad idea if I can) , I decided to choose the peace of mind with my chinese made , generally good piano rather than getting that RX2 with questionable past and worrying about would can happen down the road. Although I had the RX 2 inspected by a good technician who thought it was in a good condition and can get beter with some voicing . Yet the manipulated serial number made me unable to sacrifice my piano for the RX2

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Re: Inquiry about a Kawai RX2 [Re: hassan] #2746165
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I think you made the right decision.


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