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Imagine a piano with ... #2739523
05/25/18 08:17 PM
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Imagine a piano with –

* a bass which is sonorous, but clear and delicate
* a rich but clear mid-range
* a top octave of extreme sweetness
* just five and a half octaves, perfect for Haydn and Mozart
* an exceptionally light action, which allows rapid and even execution of ornaments, with great control
* great sensitivity, allowing micro-control of phrasing, articulation, degrees of staccato, with ease
* very modest volume – no chance of annoying the neighbours!
* a handsome case which is a beautiful and elegant piece of antique furniture
* original surface finish which glows when polished with beeswax

This is my Broadwood square piano of 1804. It has been a revelation and a great joy since I purchased it four years ago.

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Re: Imagine a piano with ... [Re: David-G] #2739527
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Congratulations on your older square grand, David! It sounds like you really enjoy it.

I was offered an old Steinway square grand for free, but at the time I just didn't have any where to put it and wasn't in the mood to bother with it. Sometimes I wonder if I made the right decision, but hindsight is 20/20. smile

Take care!

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Re: Imagine a piano with ... [Re: David-G] #2739532
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Sounds absolutely splendid!


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Re: Imagine a piano with ... [Re: David-G] #2739536
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How do you have it tuned?

ET or something closer to Thomas Young' s rules from 1799?

A Broadwood temperament perhaps?

Pwg

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Re: Imagine a piano with ... [Re: David-G] #2739539
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I've never played anything like that before, but it does sound perfect for period music like Haydn and Mozart! I bet it looks wonderful.


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Re: Imagine a piano with ... [Re: David-G] #2741117
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Originally Posted by David-G
Imagine a piano with –

* a bass which is sonorous, but clear and delicate
* a rich but clear mid-range
* a top octave of extreme sweetness



Hi David - I would love to hear it should you get around to recording it. I just recently visited the Museum for Ancient Instruments in Vienna and am interested in historic instruments.


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Re: Imagine a piano with ... [Re: P W Grey] #2743269
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Originally Posted by P W Grey
How do you have it tuned?

ET or something closer to Thomas Young' s rules from 1799?

A Broadwood temperament perhaps?

Pwg

Peter, I have now had a chance to talk to my tuner. He favours Young. Any thoughts on this?

Re: Imagine a piano with ... [Re: David-G] #2743291
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I would use the 1799 rules tuned to personal taste and make the C-E major 3rd about 5 beats per second. Then follow the rules from there. Very nice temperament.

Pwg


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Re: Imagine a piano with ... [Re: David-G] #2743320
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Pictures, please!


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Re: Imagine a piano with ... [Re: David-G] #2743351
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Welcome to the forum mha9! I will try to post some pictures.

Re: Imagine a piano with ... [Re: David-G] #2743874
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David,
For the past couple of years, I have been doing just that.
If you look at the pictures in this thread, you can see that that is all I have been able to do.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...it-might-be-a-broadwood.html#Post2533287

Truth is, with the loss of the label, I guess I am only imagining that I am imagining a Broadwood when I look at her. Clinkscale says that it is possible; I think that the surviving label implies it. Hammerfluegel.info has an almost identical example. Mine is still pure potential, so it is nice to see restored examples.

Yours is a plateless square, I believe. I would be curious to see how the scaling changed with the addition of iron bracing; or if the support was added for stability alone and the scaling remained.

The best example I have been able to find is this video on YouTube. Thankfully she does not sing in this video, and we can concentrate on the piano. Is this a fair comparison to yours, as they both are plateless?

https://youtu.be/bbuhGJmMTYg?list=LL9q_lc2rGTpcqJ9XNRDwwJQ

Be well,
Craig


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Re: Imagine a piano with ... [Re: David-G] #2743938
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We discussed a Conflagration of square pianos in 1904.


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Re: Imagine a piano with ... [Re: David-G] #2743984
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That's a lovely thread, Craig, I think I must have missed it when you posted it before.

Thanks for posting the video clip. It's a beautiful recording, and I haven't found many good recordings of early squares. I think this is a Broadwood, you can just make out "John Broadwood and Sons" on the name plaque.

In the sale last week of the Colt Clavier Collection, lot 26 was a Broadwood square which seems very similar to this one. See this link to the sale catalogue. The decoration on the rounded corners seems identical (see 0.33 on the video), and the brass inlay on the name board seems identical (see 1.08 on the video). This Broadwood in the sale is dated 1824.

My Broadwood square of 1804 is 20 years earlier, and is really very different - in looks, which have Georgian simplicity rather than Regency exuberance - and also in sound. My piano sounds markedly different from the one in the video - the sound is more "antique", less "modern piano". It is hard to describe this in words, but the high treble has a soft sweetness, while the bass has a rich sonority rather reminiscent of the harpsichord. I will have to investigate how I might post a sound clip.

And I will post some pictures.

Do you have any better-quality photos of your possible Broadwood?


Re: Imagine a piano with ... [Re: David-G] #2743989
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See also the similar Lot 100 from the Colt sale, which is dated 1825/6. The same decorative features are present. This confirms I think that the instrument in the video clip is mid-1820s.


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